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    What Are the Advantages or Disadvantages of the 450 Marlin?

    I'm brand new to the caliber, but a buddy is offering me a like new Winchester 94 Trails End Takedown with dies and 100 brass for a steal.

    I'm inclined to take it, because everyone else backed down when they heard the caliber, and claimed it to be a "Dead Caliber".

    For the record, I have extensive experience with 45/70 and loading for it, and while the cartridges themselves are not interchangeable the load data is to a certain extent. So, if I wanted to load the 450 Marlin "Down" using 5744 or Trail Boss, it would take the same bullets as the .460 sized 45/70 bullets I already have a glut of.

    What are your thoughts?

    Is there still a chance for this chambering to make a comeback, or is it dead and I should just hang up the offer?
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    I picked up the 1895M not long ago. I enjoy calibres that are a bit different from everyone else. When i found a place here in Australia that had brass,I grabbed 100. Like you said, bullets the same as 45/70 being the same helps. Can't wait to see how it goes once this China virus BS lets me out of lockdown!
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    I do not know anything about the Winchester rifle in that caliber, but if it shoots well for a good price, then why not get it.
    Similar ballistics to the 45-70 for hunting purposes. I believe the brass is still made for this caliber by Hornady and I have seen new ammo on a few store shelves, but the price tag was high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alawrence View Post
    I do not know anything about the Winchester rifle in that caliber, but if it shoots well for a good price, then why not get it.
    Similar ballistics to the 45-70 for hunting purposes. I believe the brass is still made for this caliber by Hornady and I have seen new ammo on a few store shelves, but the price tag was high.
    Andrew
    After looking for additional brass ... I think I've decided to pass on the rifle. The only way to get new brass at this time is to buy Hornady loaded ammo for $34 a box of 20. I have literally searched the internet for the past 3 hours, and can't find a single box of 50 piece of NEW brass.

    I think this one is a truly a dead caliber. With Hornady the only manufacturer of ammo, and they're only making one option .... it's done.
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    I got a .450 MR years ago just because it was cool - and I fell in love the instant I shot it. Sure it is a "dead" caliber and you can easily use a .45-70 with lots more availability and flexibility of ammo - doesn't change the fact that the .450 is cool. If you shoot a lot you will for sure need to have lots of brass and the rest is easy. I stopped loading years ago and just paid attention - and have scooped up enough factory 350 gr FPs to last me the remainder of my days, for sure. Just my two cents - grab it up!!!

    Boris - see the pm I sent you - need a phone number
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    There is nothing wrong with the way it performs. However. Because it was the answer to an unasked question once the shiny wore off there was not really a market for it. No way I would recommend one to someone that does not handload. I would bet that brass will become available again but you would need to snatch it up when it comes in stock.

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    I own the same rifle, and love it. The butt pad it comes with is a Decelerator, if you didn't know. I bought enough brass when it was available. It's produced in seasonal runs, according to Midway. If the price is right, I'd get it.
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    The 100 cases that come with it should last you a long time. Pick up some new brass when you can. Live a little and enjoy something new! My2cents!
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    Just a note: If you do get it, remember the Hornady loaded brass for the plastic tipped bullet is shorter and should be kept separate from their packaged brass. I'd check the length of the brass that comes with it and segregate it, if different.
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    I am with Boris, get it. I have more brass than I will ever need. I will send you 50 once fired (free) if that helps.
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