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    Quote Originally Posted by pricedo View Post
    A word of advice for when you do get one in your hands..............HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT !
    That Hornady factory ammo isn't loaded light.
    Keep that ocular eyepiece well away from your eye unless you want to wear it as a contact lens.
    That is sound advice.

    I have a JM stamped 1895 45-70 and a BLR 450. Both are great guns, but being as objective as I can, and I don't mean to ruffle too many feathers, I would rate the BLR as a better gun. Really cycles smooth and you cant beat the detachable box magazine for safe loading/unloading without the need for a redundant safety. I like to buy American made if I can, but based on the quality of the newer Marlins I've had the chance to look at, I'd have a really hard time not choosing a BLR over a Marlin. If you want a NIB 450, I guess Marlin already made the choice for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pricedo View Post
    I missed the boat on a "JM" 1895M......intended to buy one but was too late........the JM 1895Ms in good shape are worth a pretty penny now.
    Everybody thought JM Marlin was part of America like Mom & apple pie & would always be around......we figured wrong.
    There are only 2 factory guns currently made in 450 Marlin .........the Browning BLR (around $1000) and a lawyer doctored Miroku of Japan made Winchester 94 Trails End (around $1400).
    Bought a Browning BLR Takedown in 450 Marlin.........no tang safety or rebounding hammer like the Winchester & no cross bolt safety like the latter-day Marlin 1895s.
    Great dangerous predator defense gun.........just cock it & shoot it.........breaks apart for convenient transportation.
    The Winchester Trails End has an ear drum popping ported barrel.........another thing I don't like.
    I'll be keeping my eyes open for a good used "JM" 1895M..........they're scarce as chickens teeth and very expensive if you do luck out and find one.
    So, what would you say an 1895m non ported 450 Marlin NIB JM stamped would be worth, realistically? I know someone that has one for sale.

    Do you have a place to buy brass for the 450?

    The lack of ammo made my pause. If I can't get brass it would be an expensive door stop. Nice gun though, and I have heard from others that own them that without the rim that is on the 45-70 they cycle as smooth as warm butter.

    Oh and I am not in any particular hurry, I shot what little cash I had left on another rifle a few weeks ago that popped up and I had to use the funds to pounce before it was gone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lescarpentier View Post
    I know this is an old thread,but this is so far off that I wish to clarify that this statement is not entirely true.
    The Winchester model 94 Big Bore rifles are an exception,and were designed for 62,000 psi maximum average operating pressures,or 52000 cup,the same as the .308 Win.Now I am not trying to imply that these Big Bores are as strong as the BLR rifles because having owned a 81 BLR .358 for 25 years I know them intimately.The BLR is a bolt action operated by a lever,however they do suffer from weak camming action,as do all lever guns.

    Just wanted to set this straight.
    Cheers!
    I own both...... Browning '81 BLR & a Win 94 Trails End in 450 Marlin.
    The Win 94 action is indeed a very strong action.
    You waver between "this is so far off" and "not entirely true" and named ONE exception.....the Winchester 94 Big Bore.
    The Miroku made BLR is a lever actuated bolt action (the bolt lugs lock into the base of the barrel assembly and not the receiver) and is much stronger than the Marlin 1895 action.
    I've had no problems with the "weak camming action" of my BLR and I've used it in very warm and sub-zero temperatures........not a single jam or misfire.......the smoothest, most flawless lever action rifle I ever handled.
    I own two '81 BLRs........308 Win & 450 Marlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miket156 View Post
    So, what would you say an 1895m non ported 450 Marlin NIB JM stamped would be worth, realistically? I know someone that has one for sale.

    Do you have a place to buy brass for the 450?

    The lack of ammo made my pause. If I can't get brass it would be an expensive door stop. Nice gun though, and I have heard from others that own them that without the rim that is on the 45-70 they cycle as smooth as warm butter.

    Oh and I am not in any particular hurry, I shot what little cash I had left on another rifle a few weeks ago that popped up and I had to use the funds to pounce before it was gone.



    Cheers!



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    What something is worth is buyer specific.........I wouldn't go more than $600 for a mint 1895M.

    I have oodles of Hornady factory 450 Marlin ammo ...........I won't run out of brass in this lifetime......... the 350 grain FP stuff is loaded in full length cases & the 325 grain FTX stuff is loaded in truncated cases to accommodate the pointed bullet in standard 1895 actions.

    If you're looking for new bagged 450 Marlin brass ........ STOP! ........ you won't find any...........the Hornady factory ammo is quite reasonably priced and it isn't loaded light.
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    The guy that has the 450 NIB Marlin wants $650 for it. I thought he was a bit high, considering there are not a lot of choices for ammo. One of the members on this website was trying to sell one that he had fired but was in great condition for $550 and did not sell. This guy with the 450 had two boxes of ammo but he wanted cash for them too, so I passed. In the interm another Marlin Model 1895 chambered in 45-70 came up. I already have one that has never been fired in 99% condition, but my nephew wants it as a collectable. So this other rifle came up and I went to look it over. It had less than 2 boxes of rounds through it, it was factory drilled for scope mount, but never mounted. The furntiure had some handling marks on it, but nothing major. $500 for just the gun, a little more for the 2 boxes of ammo. I bought it. So the 450 is on the back burner for now.

    I think you are on target with the price on that 450. I might have gone for it if he had thrown in the 2 boxes of ammo, but he wanted another 50 bucks for it and then the 45-70 came along.

    Thanks for your help!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranch Dog View Post
    Yeah, it is offical... it is gone. This fellow shooters, is a real shame.

    The sole purpose of the 450 Marlin was to give 1895 shooters what they deserved out of the 45-70 Govt. Not a big deal if you reload the 45-70 but a huge performance improvement in store shelf ammo.

    A lot of guys cannot evaluate the 45-70 Govt vs. 450 Marlin because they have too much an nostalgic attachment to the 45-70 Govt cartridge. I have both and don't feel a thing toward the background of either. What my experience has taught me is that If I truly needed a big bore, it would be the 450 Marlin. What stands out most is the smooth cycle of ammo that the non-rimmed cartridge delivers. If I had a client archery hunting the big bears or any other close in encounter with dangerous North American big game, I would want that slick cartridge cycling from magazine tube to chamber and out the ejection port. The only other Marlin that comes close is the early 444 that used a lifter on the carrier to lay the cartridge near horizontal as it entered the chamber. That is nirvana.

    I'm lucky that I have a 1895MR, the full length rifle, as not many were made. I was offered a NIB "G" back in 2000 from the guy I bought my 444P from. He only wanted $350. I wish I'd bought it now. I'm sure I will add one to my Marlin line up as soon as I find the right one.
    What was the year/s the .444 was offered that
    used a lifter on the carrier to lay the cartridge near horizontal as it entered the chamber.?
    I'd like to know for future reference.
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    I Picked up a Marlin 'Guide Gun' in .450 Marlin recently.
    The trader claimed a value of $750 for the rifle with a 3x9x40mm Nikon scope mounted on it and a wide sling.
    He also had one box of Hornaday ammo in his side of the deal.
    I took the deal and believe I did quite well as the rifle is in excellent condition and when I scanned the listings on Armslist and Gunbroker
    I found that the majority of similar rifles were listed for $800 or higher on the used market For this I gave up a Model 44 Taurus 44 mag 4" SS revolver and 50 rounds of ammo and a soft case. Yeah I did get the best of the deal.

    Currently (this week) I found Fresh commercial ammo for $31 a box online with free shipping (Sportsman Guide) so I ordered 4 boxes to keep on hand in case a Bison Herd stampedes thru my orchard. I don't handload, so I will watch for ammo sales...

    But I took my first ever Bison last year with a Ruger GSR 308 and put 550 lbs of meat in the freezer. My kids call me "Dances with F150" now as I am disabled and had to chase the damn thing while riding in the back of my guides truck. I plan on using the Marlin on the hogs this year.
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    Well said Ranch Dog. Haven't been around for a few years. Concur about the smooth cycling. Yeah it has a recoil but when squeezing the trigger in a hunting situation I hardly notice. Killed a couple bears w/my MR. Also have taken bear w/my 45-70s. I feel biggest advantage of the 450 is for the shooter who wants a stout load but does not reload. Reloaders w/45-70s are right up there in power. In addition to non-reloaders, carless Nimrods are kept safe from stuffing 450s into grandpa's Trapdoor or Rolling Block by the rimless, belted cartridge. IMHO a Buffalo Bore in a 45-70 will keep up fine w/a 450....but I'll never part w/mine!
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