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    I had a similar discussion on another board about .308W vs 30-06. Same argument there - at practical hunting distances (up to 300 yds) there is no real difference between them up to 180 grains bullets. 30-06 is more versatile, but exactly how many guys take advantage of that versatility by shooting 190 gr or heavier bullets out of their 30-06?

    As another poster here mentioned, the target market for 450M was guys who wanted souped-up 45-70 performance without having to reload.

    Nothing wrong with 450M. Nothing wrong with reloading for 450M. But if you want a really fast 350 gr bullet, step up to a 450NE 31/4", a 458 WM, or a 458 Lott.

    I'm pretty happy with my 45-70 pushing BTB 525 gr at 1625, and still about 2.5 gr below max load. I'd use that combo for any animal on earth, except elephant.

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    My first new rifle was a 308 back in early 60s when they weren't cool. You could not get through that the same bullet fired at the same velocity are equal.
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    Yup. 30-06 is *generally* about 100-200 fps faster for any given bullet weight, but that only translates to somewhat flatter trajectories at distances most people have no business shooting wild game, and assumes 200 or 300 yd zeroes.

    For purposes of this thread, same thing applies to 45-70 v 450M. There's just no appreciable difference on the business end, so shoot what you're comfortable shooting accurately.

    If you really want to push a 350 gr bullet well past 2K fps, an upgrade to a NE or one of the 458 magnums is in order; just like if you want to push a .308" 180 gr or heavier at around 3K fps, need to switch to a 300 WM/H&H mag.
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    No real reason for me really, had never owned a lever gun and was just browsing a local shop one day and this was in the rack, 1895M guide gun no porting. Never heard of the cartridge before and when I saw the belted case (I'm a bit of a Weatherby fan) end of story. Haven't shot it a lot, bought some 350gn factory ammo and that seems to knock camels over pretty well. I like it and am happy with my choice.
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    I would certainly buy a 450 Marlin if I happened upon a good deal. I'd still load it to upper trapdoor velocities, since that fits my prey and hunting terrain. No grizzlies here in the Old Dominion. We have some blackies, the only time I would shoot one is if it kept me from walking back the other way. Whitetail and feral critters both quadruped and biped are my only live targets, and the shots I have max out at 150 yards in the open, 75 yards in the woods. Old school loads suit me fine, and as I have said before, I want to keep my retinas in place.

    Like I said, I'd still buy a 450 Marlin if it turned up...
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    Sure like my 450 Marlin Browning BLR. Strong action. For example handloaded 350gr muzzle speed 2250 fps from BLR 20" barrel. No excessive pressure signs. About 300 fps faster compared to same barrel length 450 Marlin 1895. 350gr 2300 fps muzzle speed safely achievable.

    With lighter bullets (heavier bullets mag length too restrictive) pretty much like a lever action takedown carbine 458 Win Mag.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevastopol View Post
    Too bad Hornady doesn't load that 350 grainer anymore. I've only heard good things about it. I do have a box or two of the bullets, but haven't tried them yet.
    Do you happen to know what speed the factory rounds were advertised at, or how fast they came out of your gun?

    Thank you.
    Just took a look at a box.
    2100 fps.

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    Claimed 2100 fps from 24" barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slamfire View Post
    Claimed 2100 fps from 24" barrel.

    Since you asked....
    I ran the factory round from an 1895MXLR with the 24" barrel when I had one. I averaged 2046 fps for 5 shots. So they only fudge a bit. 97% of claimed velocity.
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