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    Quote Originally Posted by HIKayaker View Post
    These are about the least expensive cast bullets you can find. Gardner's Cache. GARDNERS CACHE'

    I've been pleased with them.

    Great prices
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin39noa View Post
    So the rather high price of premium gas check bullets from all the bigger cast bullet makers has me looking at some smaller companies products. I'm a bit surprised the forum doesn't have a directory of bullet vendors but maybe I just haven't found it yet. I would love to hear where other members have bought cheap-ish cast bullets !
    Marlin39noa,

    Give GT Bullets a look, Charleston SC. I ordered some of their 38/357 and 32-20 and was very pleased with the quality, price point, and quick delivery. I am sure their 45-70 are equally as good.
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    40 gr to 535 gr, all moving at the most accurate velocity!
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    https://www.gtbullets.com/index.php?...products_id=48

    HS, I m currently working with these but struggling to find an accurate load. I have used their 9mm and 380 LHP and my guns LOVE them. I haven't given up on them however. I just obtained a Lyman M die and maybe that will help somewhat. Still in progress...
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    Marlin39noa,

    Good bullet choice. How fast do you want to go and what have you tried so far for powder and charge? BTW, the M-Die will help.
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    Initially started "Cowboy Data" at 26.0 AA5744. Very dirty burning, bumped to 35.0 AA5744. Cleaner but still poor accuracy. 300 gr Hornady over 40.0 AA5744 gave me about 1 inch at 50 yards.The same XTP gave about the same with 54.0 Hodgdon H322. I'm considering switching to H322 for the cast bullet. I'm a little bummed out since it is a very nice bullet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin39noa View Post
    Initially started "Cowboy Data" at 26.0 AA5744. Very dirty burning, bumped to 35.0 AA5744. Cleaner but still poor accuracy. 300 gr Hornady over 40.0 AA5744 gave me about 1 inch at 50 yards.The same XTP gave about the same with 54.0 Hodgdon H322. I'm considering switching to H322 for the cast bullet. I'm a little bummed out since it is a very nice bullet...

    Marlin39noa,

    I have found faster rifle powders work best with PB cast bullets. With a gas check, you can use a little slower powder and push up the fps. H or IMR 4198 is a little slower than 5744 and has proven to be a good choice with cast bullets for me.

    Lyman Manual
    IMR-4198 330gr cast
    Min 40.0 1,570 fps and 21,000 CUP
    Max 44.0 1,900 fps and 25,300 CUP

    I have not used H322 in the 45-70. I am not sure how it reacts to the large case capacity. I have only shot it in small case capacity cartridges like 6.5 BR. I do know that 4198 is not powder position sensitive with a standard large rifle primer.

    I know my rifle groups best with cast bullets just subsonic or in the 1,600-1,700 fps range. It looks like your top load with 5744 should be in the 1,500 fps range. 4198 should get you in the node easily and economically.

    Two other items to try. First, seat the bullet out so it just touches the lands. Second, when you crimp, if not in the crimp groove with the bullet seated out to touch the lands, try a light roll crimp or taper crimp on one of the groove diameter bands.
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    HS thanks for taking the time to assist ! I'm somewhat limited for powder options since my local Cabela's has trouble getting it on the shelves. I'd love to run across some Trail Boss sometime for some less energetic rec shooting. If I'm going to mail order anything it will likely be TB. I have looked (enviously) at the 4198's but haven't found any yet. I grabbed the H322 to try and if not worthy I can load .223 with it. According to Hornady data it can drive the 300 XTP a fair bit faster...
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    Marlin39noa,

    There are two other powders that I have had success with. However, they are low volume powders. You can double charge a case and the powder will not overflow the case. Special care at the loading bench is necessary if you use these options.

    Take a look in this link at the "Reduced Velocity Study" data. You can start Herco with the Unique load data and work up. I would suggest using the 350 vs 300 data to start your testing.

    If you intend to use reduced loads you do not need to spend the extra for a gas check bullet. Try plain base bullets next time.

    Enjoy and stay safe.

    281290-line-free-load-data-references.html
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    Time for more reading thanks for the link !!
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    HS6 has been excellent for low velocity loads with 300’s and 350’s for me. 14grs and 13.5grs


    Be watchful of you use pistol powders for double charges
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