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    Looking for data for heavier loads that keeps me around 1300 FPS

    I have been using Missouri Bullet Company and their 405 coated Hi-Tek and they seem to work fine. I like them but I am wanting to widened my gaze so to speak. I currently load them from 1400 to 1700 depending on the powder. I also just loaded up a couple dozen with Trail Boss and they should be around a 1000 FPS out of my Cowboy.


    Does anyone have any experience loading a little heavier bullets with The goal of staying in the 1250-1350 FPS ? Say...460 - 485 grain range?

    It looks like H4198 might work as well as IMR 4064. The Cowboy will mostly be just for fun but I am sure it will get a shot or two on deer and hogs this year. My GBL is the opposite. I will use my GBL mostly for hunting and a little for plinking.

    Also, which bullets do you recommend in the 460 - 485 ish range?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panbolio View Post
    I have been using Missouri Bullet Company and their 405 coated Hi-Tek and they seem to work fine. I like them but I am wanting to widened my gaze so to speak. I currently load them from 1400 to 1700 depending on the powder. I also just loaded up a couple dozen with Trail Boss and they should be around a 1000 FPS out of my Cowboy.


    Does anyone have any experience loading a little heavier bullets with The goal of staying in the 1250-1350 FPS ? Say...460 - 485 grain range?

    It looks like H4198 might work as well as IMR 4064. The Cowboy will mostly be just for fun but I am sure it will get a shot or two on deer and hogs this year. My GBL is the opposite. I will use my GBL mostly for hunting and a little for plinking.

    Also, which bullets do you recommend in the 460 - 485 ish range?

    Thanks in advance.
    I hear good things about the Lyman 480, if you are casting. Cycles through an 1895, too. But really, anything made of lead with a big flat nose will perform awesome in that velocity range. That's probably only a bit above trapdoor gun levels, so I'd just start a bit above max there, and stop when you hit the velocity you want.
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    Do you have a Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook? If not you need one. There are a bunch of cast bullets makers making .459 bullets. If you google "cast bullet makers" you will get a dozen or two makers. Some are handgun sizes only. But some make up to 525 gr or more in .459. I'm assuming you want to buy, not cast your own. I buy also. I like Missouri and King Shooter.

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    Hodgdon lists .45-70 Trapdoor 485gr cast bullet data.

    https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/
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    Does the Lyman Cast Book give load data or does it just teach you how to cast the bullets? I have an older Lyman load book but it only goes up to 420 grains.

    Yeah, I will be buying the cast bullets because I catch enough grief at home for how much time I spend hand loading. I could only imagine how much trouble I would stay in if I spent all the time needed for casting my own. Some day I will. Just not today I am afraid.

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    Well I'm a bit above your listed velocity as I look for accuracy and my 465gr Wide Flat Nose does an awesome job on deer and elk at 1650fps, of course always with proper shot placement.

    I don't seek expansion, if it happens it happens, so be it, but with the WFN simply don't need it.

    Now, AVOID warp velocities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tried a 355gr WFN at 2300fps and it was all kinds of excessively devastating!

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    Found in a big cow elk, not the one pictured, after a quartering shot. Bullet lost it's nose on the big heavy upper front leg bone then still traveled about another 30" Went from 465gr to 327.9gr. Range about a 100yds or a bit more. Elk pictured was taken at about 150yds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panbolio View Post
    Does the Lyman Cast Book give load data or does it just teach you how to cast the bullets? I have an older Lyman load book but it only goes up to 420 grains.

    Yeah, I will be buying the cast bullets because I catch enough grief at home for how much time I spend hand loading. I could only imagine how much trouble I would stay in if I spent all the time needed for casting my own. Some day I will. Just not today I am afraid.
    Gives load data, also IIRC. Buy the Lee 2nd Edition. Lots and lots of load data in there, as well as good info on pressure and cast bullets. It's a crazy good deal, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panbolio View Post
    Does the Lyman Cast Book give load data or does it just teach you how to cast the bullets? . . .
    The Lyman Cast Handbook give a TON of load data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panbolio View Post
    Does the Lyman Cast Book give load data or does it just teach you how to cast the bullets? I have an older Lyman load book but it only goes up to 420 grains.
    Like Crusty I cast my own lead bullets and I shoot 405gr and 465 gr. Both bullets are not in the range you mentioned. Both are around 1650fps. You can use the cast book by Lyman which is good to have but I also have the new edition of Lyman. In the standard edition of Lyman it gives cast rounds and also jacketed rounds which makes it a little better. So if it were me I would start with the staqndard edition of Lyman reloading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panbolio View Post
    I have been using Missouri Bullet Company and their 405 coated Hi-Tek and they seem to work fine. I like them but I am wanting to widened my gaze so to speak. I currently load them from 1400 to 1700 depending on the powder. I also just loaded up a couple dozen with Trail Boss and they should be around a 1000 FPS out of my Cowboy.


    Does anyone have any experience loading a little heavier bullets with The goal of staying in the 1250-1350 FPS ? Say...460 - 485 grain range?

    It looks like H4198 might work as well as IMR 4064. The Cowboy will mostly be just for fun but I am sure it will get a shot or two on deer and hogs this year. My GBL is the opposite. I will use my GBL mostly for hunting and a little for plinking.

    Also, which bullets do you recommend in the 460 - 485 ish range?

    Thanks in advance.
    Panbolio,

    Lyman 4th edition cast manual data. If you are shooting a PBB no gas check, you may need to stay below 500 gr if you want 1,300-1,400 fps. If you switch to a GC design you have more room on the higher pressure/velocity side.

    480gr
    • IMR-4198 Start 28.0 @ 1,350 / Max 32.0 @ 1,420
    • IMR-3031 Start 37.0 @ 1,310 / Max 40.0 @ 1,410
    • 5744 Start 26.5 @ 1,250 / Max 28.0 @ 1,320


    500 gr
    • IMR-4198 Start 28.5 @ 1,1,10 / Max 31.5 @ 1,285
    • IMR-3031 Start 38.0 @ 1,070 / Max 42.0 @ 1,330
    • 5744. Start 25.0 @ 1,080 / Max 28.0 @ 1,185


    PS: These loads are from the Trapdoor guidance where max pressure is in the 17,500 range. Well within safe pressure range for modern rifles.
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