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    I'm still waiting for my first 45-70 to show up. Now it's supposed to be here next Wed or Thurs but I for one have no intention to load it to or near max levels. Lighter or midrange loads and hard cast bullets should be able to handle anything we have in Minnesota
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    slamfire showed a great pic of what happens when you push your 45-70 too far. I have found that pushing my Marlin to the top was painfully too much to shoot too often and the accuracy wasn't that great for me. When at a moderate level the accuracy is great and when using my 405gr cast or my 465gr cast they both will do a complete pass through on an elk or a deer. That is good enough for me. I would not be afraid to put either of those loads up against any North American animal. If the need for shooting the 45-70 at max loads is for range then your using the wrong rifle. When I know I'm going to have the possibility of making long distance shots I have my 7mm mag for that.
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    ive shot a 458 win mag .why turn your 45-70 into one of those vicious hard kicking brutes ?if you want a 458 win mag get one.
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    When I bought my 1895XLR (thinking in 2006), I immediately toyed with 450ME load data, being under the impression they were the same gun.... To this day, I’m still not sure if I had fully thought that through at the time... Recalling that I went with 350gr Hornaday, FN bullets and picked an advertised load for the 450ME in the 42,000 cup range, thinking bigger is better... What I recall is the intense recoil.. noticeably, some of the rounds did take a touch more pressure on the lever to eject... At the time, I was still questioning the sense about the venture and was relieved that after every pull of the trigger, the gun was still together... in the end, I was not fully pleased with the accuracy of those hot loads and never did fire all of those hand loads.

    i later read up on the suttle differences between the XLR marlins chambered in 45-70 and 450ME.... I became convinced if I really needed to shoot 450ME loads, I should buy a 450ME... Which, never happened... meaning I never was convinced I needed anything more than my 45-70... to include not needing the increased recoil.

    I hunt whitetail deer and black bear in primarily heavy timber (aka the woods)... A long shot is almost always under 100 yards and the average shot Under 60 yards.. I have gravitated toward the 325gr LeverEvolution ammo. It is relatively a inexpensive round compared to other factory 45-70 loads. It shoots very accurately out of my 1895XLR and a 325gr bullet moving at 2050fps gets the job done. Plenty big enough bullet to buck the brush or the occasional limb, and still hammer on the target game.

    My since deceased uncle, whom talked me into owning the 45-70 over a 450ME said it very eloquently... The 45-70 round has been around for over 100 years... Back in the day, many buffalo hunters used a 45-70... The buffalo was a bigger creature that any deer and nearly any black bear I will ever see... The buffalo hunters shot often with open sites and at longer ranges than I most likely will ever shoot... Any in today’s guns with today’s modern ammo, what would ever make a man think he needs more of a gun to hunt the woods of NY and PA, then with a 45-70... To this day, I don’t think truer words have ever been spoken.

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    I just bought a can of H4198 for my 45-70. 50.5 grains Of powder under a 400 grain pill will go 2000 FPS. according to the Hodgdon data. Obviously slower coming out of my guide gun 18.5 barrel. To all the nay sayers who always post the “I never go past 1500 FPS, No need to push it any more than that “ I say AMERICA! The 45-70 is big, excessive, and loud, if a member wants fast as long as it’s safe let her rip! Will be loading up some “hot” ones and may my shoulder be damned. You know why? Because I can


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    Im running Hornady 300gr JHP hot loads in 1895 & #3 Ruger. For deer and black bear 300gr is plenty of killing. JSP would do better for bear. I’m not really using these rifles they are just tuned and ready, same as 1894 in 44mg. The killing guns are #3s in 375 Win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slamfire View Post
    45-70 results like that on Cape Buffalos??

    Stated 1895 action not particularly rigid -

    "Rear-locking lugs theoretically allow a long bolt to flex..." https://guide.sportsmansguide.com/ti...ugs-explained/

    458 400gr Swift A-Frame 1400 fps impact speed bullet appeared to track straight although oblique deformation on 1800 fps impact speed bullet suggests it veered off heavy bone. Forgo expansion going to try 458 400gr Barnes Buster (1895 GBL, 1800 fps mv / front locking multi-lug rotating bolt 450 Marlin BLR, 2000 fps mv). Claimed to be extreme penetrators will see about that.




    Meant to respond to this a while ago. I may have misread the intention of your post, but in the real world for most of us with a lever action "hunting rifle" won't be affected in the slightest. Might make a slight difference in a bigger cartridge BR rifle, but in a low pressure cartridge like the 45-70, I doubt it will affect the accuracy or brass life noticeably. Pretty sure the Lee Enfield and other rear locking bolts have been chambered, or built into .458 WM guns.


    Your post of the 45-70 does a good job illustrating the way they all blow up. Invariably it's a hoop failure, though I suppose it's not out of the question to get a bolt through a cheek.
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    many years ago when I was young. I used my fathers win 70 super grade 458 win to hunt woodchucks deer etc. the chucks! I used a 500 gr solid! 405s for deer . my self abuse days are over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slamfire View Post
    Over-pressured 1895 wreckage.

    Take a loooooong hard look! this could make some interesting problems for your local emergency room!

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    This is an excerpt from Nosler #6. Wish it had listed the load. Presumably a warm lever action load.

    Had a good conversation with Bill Bagwell, and he was planning on taking his 45-70 lever for African heavy game. He only shoots BP and equivalent loads with a Lyman 475 gr.
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