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    Tenderfoot
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    .444 or .45/70

    Hello everyone, first time posting. After some research I had decided to go the .444 route over the venerable 45/70 due to ballistics and recoil as I am not a reloader and will use factory ammo. Having a "flatter" round with approx 1/3 less recoil sounded like a winner to me but after lots of searching I cant find one locally ( North FL) and even GB seems limited and more expensive than the 45/70. I have an opportunity to buy a like new 45 guide gun here for a great price but it isn't exactly what I wanted. What say you guys, wait it out and try to find a .444 or just buy a 45/70 and be done with it?
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    There is not a great deal of recoil difference between a standard factory 45-70 300 gr HP load and a standard factory 240 gr 444 load. Both will up the recoil a lot with a super performance load in 265 gr in the 444 or heavier loads in the 45-70. Ammo choice is the key. A 444 person here, would wait on the 444 and use standard Remington 444 240 gr loads. The standard velocity 300 gr load in the 45-70 is no joke, and is a better deer load than the standard Remington 444 load to be honest. Have used both.
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    Welcome to the forum, I can not help you with your decision but if you hang around this forum much you will probably end up with both.

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    All I will say is..... the times I bought something other than what I "really" wanted because it was available I was never really happy with that choice. If you want a triple 4 I suggest you wait as one will turn up. Even if it costs more money, you'll be happier if you get what you want and the money will be forgotten.

    Now, there are no flies on a 45-70 so it is never a bad choice. Comparing the two cartridges will go on forever. I like them both, but if had to pick one it would be the 444.

    As mentioned, the 444 won't really be easier in the recoil department.

    Good luck with your decision.

    Dan
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    Welcome to the forum from Texas. I agree with BigMuddy and say wait on the 444. My 2 cents.

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    The answer to the OPs question is yes, 444 or 45-70, yes.
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    I started out with the 45-70 and did not think it got any better. Then I stumbled on the T4 and changed my mind.
    I say start checking pawn shops and get an older JM stamped one. Deer season just ended in most locations and they should start showing up.
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    a 444 marlin with a 265 gr bullet at 2000 fps and a 45-70 with a 300 gr bullet at 2000 fps are neck and neck to 300 yards with fps-fpe and drop with a 100 yard zero. 444 marlin 265 gr bullet at 2000 fps zeroed at 100 yards, 200 yrd, 1311 fps fpe 1011 drop 11.9", 300 yrd, 1096 fps fpe 707 drop 44.3". 45-70 300 gr at 2000 fps zeroed at 100 yrd, 200 yrd 1333 fps, fpe 1183 drop 11.7", 300 yrd 1117 fps fpe 831 drop 43.1". in strong rifles both can be loaded at just about the same fps with any weight bullets you would normaly use. two doe shot with my ruger # 3 at around a hundred yards with a 300 gr bullet at 1900 fps, a 444 marlin with 265 gr bullets at 1900 fps would have the same results. sorry about the poor pictures
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    https://www.marlinowners.com/forum/a...let-tests.html

    Study the above carefully. Note the 44 Magnum at useful ranges actually has better expansion and penetration than the 444 in most cases. Have shot a lot of game with both, yes the 444 can hit a lot harder, on both ends. If recoil is a concern, and your shooting is inside 200 yards, a 44 Mag with 240 gr loads is going to be just fine. Folks will say a 44 is not a long range gun, but have killed a truck load of deer at or around 200 yds, with no issues. This from a stand looking down a mowed power line, rifle sighted about 3.5 inches high at 100 yds. For years it was a Marlin 1894 gun, but now tote a Ruger 77/44 from time to time. 200 yards is about it, given both these rifles are about 2.5 moa.

    in other words, you will not be under gunned with a 1894, if you know how to appreciate it correctly.

    I use the 444, but this is with a reloaded premium Swift 240 gr bonded hollow point, which is a game changer.
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    I can tell you that the 444 does have substantial recoil when using Hornady superformance / light magnum ammunition. I have the marlin 444 with the 22" barrel, it is a heavy rifle, and it does kick pretty hard. Not sure how much recoil the Remington 240 grain ammo has, as I have never fired them. I do reload for it and my reloads do kick, but not as hard as the superformance. Obviously, if you want a 444 that bad you'll have to be patient and wait until one becomes available. You might try finding one at a gun show, but good luck with that. If it were me, I would just go for the 45 70. You will have better luck at finding one, IMO, than a 444. They seem to be more common and so is the ammunition. I actually saw some 45 70 ammunition at our local Walmart when they had the marlin 45 70 rifle in stock. I will say this though, I do like the 444 and I won't give mine up. It will never have the history or fame of the 45 70. But the 444 sits in a class all by itself. no matter what anyone thinks or says. Good luck, I hope you find what you're looking for.
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