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    can i shoot 38 special 158 grain from a .356 win

    i'm having Jesse rebore a 30-30 to a .356 win. and I would like to plink with 38 special to save a little money. Can the 38 special be fired at velocities approching 2000 fps without coming apart or tumbling? If I need to fire them closer to 1000 fps how many grains of 4895 should I use? Anything else I should be aware of?

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    Couple red flags right off the bat. How on earth are you going to get a 38 Special cartridge to approach 2000 fps? Are you asking if 38 Secial cartridges can be fired in a 356 Win? Are you asking if it is possible to load .357 diameter bullets in a 356 Win case?
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    I assume that you mean the projectile. I have loaded jacketed pistol bullets in my Savage 99-358 without any problem. CARTRIDGES OF THE WORLD has some load data for pistol slugs in the 35 Remington. They show a 2400 load and I am sure that load would work for you. Make sure that you crimp the bullet so the powder will burn well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovin336guy View Post
    i'm having Jesse rebore a 30-30 to a .356 win. and I would like to plink with 38 special to save a little money. Can the 38 special be fired at velocities approching 2000 fps without coming apart or tumbling? If I need to fire them closer to 1000 fps how many grains of 4895 should I use? Anything else I should be aware of?

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    Please refer to the attached SAAMI cartridge link. No way. Weapons should only be fired with cartridges of the same design as the chamber.

    https://saami.org/technical-informat...mber-drawings/

    Now, if you are asking if a 357/38 special bullet can be loaded in the 356, that is a possibility. I would recommend jacketed bullets only if you want a fps in the 2,000 range.
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    I understand the OP's question being in regards to bullet/projectile diameter.

    The 356WIN projectiles are common .358 projectiles (bullets).

    38SPC jacketed bullets are .357 diameter while 38SPC lead bullets are .358. Therefore, .357 diameter jacketed bullets would not be advisable.

    For plinking with the 356 cartridge, you can have Jess recommend a good diameter HCL bootlit which are cheap. He can also slug the barrel but he more than likely will know what oversize diameter would work well in your re-bored bbl, more than likely a .359 diameter bootlit.

    NOTE: A reduced load with a HCL bootlit would be better for plinking.

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    My Speer #13 Manual list some loads for jacketed pistol bullets.

    For light practice loads, I would use 35 cal cast bullets designed for rifles.
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    I've done it a few times for fun

    Lee 358158 RF with 11.5gr Trail Boss
    Lyman 358429 with 20gr SR4759

    both put 5 shots touching at 25 yards, point of impact is at the tip of lower duplex in Weaver 1-3x scope.
    have no idea on velocity
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    The above handloads were used in a Marlin rebored by JES to 356 Win. with correct headstamped brass by Winchester.

    I also tried the Lee 358105 SWC with less than impressive results.
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    Don't know whether or not this is applicable. To me as a reloader going where none have gone many time with experiments as an excuse to go there.


    My experience with the .356 are never. I did however go to places the standare .35 Rem should have not.

    Pics of .180 an 158 Hornady HPXTP note the second crimp groove on the 180gn. Good part is with the short leade on the average .35 Rem 336 chamber it leaves you with only one setting for you average seater die.

    A 180 seated in a .35 case, and of course the .35 I converted from a .336RC pistol grip with 20 inch bbl to a 16.25 inch bbl with straight grip do consider my conversion very good. Only regret I had was with a heavy load of h335 and the 180 bullet it had one hell of a muzzle blast akin to a .357 heavily loaded revolver.
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    Generally one would be better to keep lead pistol bullets at lower velocities. 4895 is too slow for most of that use and I would guess that powders like Trail Boss as mentioned and Unique would be better choices. There are better cast bullets for the 356 or 35 Remington than the 158 so I would use it as a plinking load. Sometimes a plinking load can be developed that does shoot to the same point of aim as the heavy hunting loads, but it takes a bit of work. As the 38/357mag are fun little rifles you should be able to develop a similar load.

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