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    356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    For the dollar which is the best rifle.

    According to Modern Reloading by Richard Lee, the hottest loading for the 356 Winchester is 2383 ft/sec with a 200 grain jacketed bullet and the hottest loading for a 35 Remington is 2152 ft/sec. I reload 35 Remington to 2224 ft/sec and I have read several people that reload up to 2250 ft/sec in threats here on Marlin Owners Forum. Compare the price of a good used Marlin 35 Remington to a good used Marlin 356ER and Marlin 35 wins by a comfortable margin. Compare bullet speed, and the 356ER wins, but not by much when reloading using 35 Remington +P.

    According to Modern Reloading, the 375 Winchester can be loaded up to 2512 ft/sec with a 200 grain jacketed bullet. Compare the price of a good used 375 Marlin to a good used 356ER and the 375 Marlin wins, but not be much. Compare bullet speed and 375 Marlin wins, but not by much. Now compare the price of a good used Marlin 30-30, rebored to 375 Winchester and the rebored 375 wins by a comfortable margin.

    Now compare a 35 Marlin to a 375 Marlin. Price wise, the 35 Marlin wins. Bullet speed wise, the 375 Marlin wins.

    Now to answer the question, the 35 Marlin is the winner and here is why: Marlin rifles in 35 Remington are easier to find and cheaper, factory ammo is easier to find, and reloading brings out the beast in the rifle. The 375 Marlin is second and here is why: 375 Marlins are easier to find than 356ERs, ammo is easier to find for the 375 than 356 Winchester, bullet speed is faster, and they cost less than 356ER.

    I have owned all three rifles. I sold the 356 and 375 Marlins. I later regretted selling the 375 and purchased a 375 rebore from Wyatt, Jesse's brother, for $425.00 through Gunbroker. I cannot tell the difference on deer and hogs. Any of the three rifles will do a better job than pick-up truck and cheaper, I know from experience.














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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    Comparing the .35 and .356 is notable and the .356 should be reintroduced as a better chamber and headspace alternative to the wrinkle they headspace the .35 on. Them two are pretty much the same as bullet wgt and speed are concerned.

    Comparing either to the .375 is notable but then if you kept the 200 gn bullets the .375 though leaving the muzzle faster will drop like a rock sectional density being the killer. .375 comes into it's nich with 250gn and above.

    Most foolish thing Marlin did was chamber it with the fast twist bbl instead of the slower twist of it's twin the 38-55 it was not needed and impeded the performance of the high intensity loadings.

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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    a 356 will push the 200gr faster than 2300fps. I can get 2300+ from the 220gr. speer with 46grs. of 4064. Some get more with other powders. The 35 +p is close but it's still no 356. The 375 with 200grs at 2500fps is way over the top. I wouldn't want to be around the guy using that load. Not saying it can't be done but not around me !! As Swany said the sectional density is not so good either.

    For the $$$ value the 35 rem is a good deal but you could bore & chamber a 30-30 to 356 easy peezy lemon squeezy

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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    For those of use who shoot nothing but factory 200 grain loads, the 356 Win is the absolute best choise of the three; hands down.

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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachethead
    For those of use who shoot nothing but factory 200 grain loads, the 356 Win is the absolute best choise of the three; hands down.
    Not disagreeing with you but that is only based on power. There are other criteria that could determine the "best." Accuracy? Economy? Availability? Matching the cartridge to the game being hunted? Versatility?

    Lots of things to consider other than raw power.
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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    Lots of good campfire discussion!

    Now for the reality check - NO measurable difference between the 3 on game under mastadon size at normal sub-250 yard levergun ranges.

    I've owned & shot all 3 as well....my preferred choice: my 336 ss-ltd in 35 Rem with 18 1/2" barrel, xs sight & scout scope, launching 200 grain pills at measured 2109 fps & consistent MOA shooter....BUT.... have several 38-55's & a M-375 just in case!

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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    It seems you've arrived at the logical conclusion of the .35Rem in a Marlin among the three choices of Marlin rifles. (I didn't know that about the .375, thanks Swany.)
    The .35Rem is hard to beat within the normal range limitations. Now if the 94 Win Big Bore is thrown in chambered in the .356, it represents a step up in power (not quite to .358Win standards, but close). The .356Win SAMI specs are 52,000CUP, same as an '06; however, the Marlin action was not designed to handle those pressures. My 94BB easily clocks 2350fps with a 220FN Speer and will send a 200gr bullet about 2500fps. That being said, my .356 is not a Marlin and I still prefer my 336D when hunting Whitetails. I also get 2100+fps with 200gr Cor-lokts out of its 18.5" BBL.

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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    Quote Originally Posted by riley
    The .356Win SAMI specs are 52,000CUP, same as an '06; however, the Marlin action was not designed to handle those pressures. My 94BB easily clocks 2350fps with a 220FN Speer and will send a 200gr bullet about 2500fps. That being said, my .356 is not a Marlin and I still prefer my 336D when hunting Whitetails. I also get 2100+fps with 200gr Cor-lokts out of its 18.5" BBL.
    I would be very surprised if Marlin released the 336ER without the expectation that it would be used with SAAMI-spec 52KCUP ammunition. The advantage of the Winchester BigBore is that is can be safely loaded in excess of the SAAMI-specs, at least according to people such as Paco Kelly. With the Marlin action, I would not be hotrodding the 356Win and would question the value anyways.

    Regarding the equivalency of 52KCUP in the 356Win with the 30-06, I found this brief discussion... I haven't read it or researched the topic enough, but it's food for thought:

    https://www.marlinowners.com/forums/i...html#msg148623

    I really enjoy this discussions and like the analysis done by the OP. Whether I agree doesn't matter because as far as I'm concerned, I've tried hard to convince myself that the 356Win is an improvement over the 35 Rem --- that way, I can justify to my wife why I need to keep both my 336SC and my 336ER!
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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    My own illogical contribution is that I have hunted with the 336/35 enough that it is THE rifle that I prefer to hunt the thickets and creekbottoms of my part of Louisiana with. I have a m-375 that is unfortunately STILL unfired. But I have several loads to try. I have never had or even shot a 356 but have killed between fifteen to twenty deer with the 358. There is something about a medium bore bullet at moderate speed that kills game with authority. I agree with the poster that said you could probably not tell the difference in the field between those cartridges mentioned. But even if they were compared for lethality by an impartial user for the next twenty years under like conditions I would still think that I "need" to do my own research into the matter. I feel that it is my obligation to future generations to puchase, shoot/develop loads, and hunt with as many Marlins as my budget will allow so that my children will have the advantage over the others of their generation who insist that only long barreled bolt-action magnum rifles are sufficient for shooting whitetail deer at woods ranges is the only way to go. Therefore, I will continue to hunt with any caliber that makes sense to me and pass my beliefs and experiences on to any and all who will listen that they might know that the BEST rifle to hunt with is a leveraction Marlin.
    Now, have I been illogical enough or should I ramble on?
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    Re: 356 Winchester vs 375 Winchester vs 35 Remington

    Good morning
    The older I get (60) I get more amazed at how an increase of 100-150 FPS is looked at as being so important. Corn crunchers and bean eaters will still fall victim this year to whatever reasonable chunk of copper or mere lead that gets poked through the breathers at any reasonable velocity all the way down to about 650 fps.
    I understand the desire to see just how fast you can get a projectile to slice through the atmosphere. 1971-74 I got to sit at the firing controls of a weapon that would fire a 37mm projectile at 5000fps. Impact at 1 mile was near instantanious and spectacular ! But the wear factor of that round on the 105mm m68 gun was 5x´s that of the standard high velocity anti armor round.
    Even a Marlin 1895 will stretch and parts compress under enough and constant battering. Once your majestic laser light show is over you will be the proud owner of a past fine shooter that hopefully no other unsuspecting shooter gets tricked into buying.
    If you need a magnum rifle buy one. Marlins are strong well designed and tough but they they do still have limitations.
    Mike in Peru God Bless you.


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