Great advice above. I have Marlin 30ASís in both 307 &356 and a Winchester BB in 356. Both calibers are great. My 356 Marlin has a Trapper length barrel and the Speer 180ís are perfect. If I want a long range( levergun speaking) gun I prefer the 307. If I need to kill something tougher than a deer the 307 with the Nosler Partition 170 is the ticket for longer shots. The 356 shorty is a perfect brush or cruising rifle. My next project will be a 7mm, either the 7x30 or 7STE.
01-21-2020, 08:45 AM
Originally Posted by shawlerbrook
Great advice above. I have Marlin 30AS’s in both 307 &356 and a Winchester BB in 356. Both calibers are great. My 356 Marlin has a Trapper length barrel and the Speer 180’s are perfect. If I want a long range( levergun speaking) gun I prefer the 307. If I need to kill something tougher than a deer the 307 with the Nosler Partition 170 is the ticket for longer shots. The 356 shorty is a perfect brush or cruising rifle. My next project will be a 7mm, either the 7x30 or 7STE.
That’s great information, thanks! I’m currently waiting for a Waffletop to come back from my smith. It was rebored to 30-30AI and chopped to 16.5”. I’m hoping to shoot the 140gr Monoflex in it. I want the 356 to be my everything in PNW rifle, which is why I’m gonna honking about the heavier Hawks. I guess I’ll try the Speers too.
How fast does your trapper push the 180s?
How do they perform on elk?
01-21-2020, 10:08 AM
Unfortunately I never chonographed them and only shot whitetails. I am pretty sure they would do find on elk with a good hit, but for something bigger or tougher I would probably look at another bullet. I do like what I have saw and read about the Hawk bullets.
In the above link you can see the 250 hawk tested, along with other common .358 bullets. This test was at 35 Whelen velocities. Did load some of the 250 Hawk flat points into the 356 using what experience told me should have been a standard, not hot load...Speer 220gr loads reduced 15%. Could not find load data for a 356 250 gr. Had pressure signs so high I stopped. What caused the Winchester factory 250 gr to fail in the market place, was the same here... not a lot of velocity at safe pressures.
Here the 180 Speer is loaded for a bang flop deer load. If a bear is around my hunting area, re-zero for the 220 gr Speer which reaches usable velocity. Expansion with the 220 is not dramatic, but penetration is much superior to the 180 gr in actual use. Have a lot of experience with Hawk flat points, mostly the 190gr .308 bullets in 303 Savage, 30-30 and 300 Savage. If not for the fact a bunch of Speer bullets are here, would opt for the 220 Hawk FP in the 356 as an all round load. Standard jacket thickness Flat Point Hawks with the pure copper jacket and soft core expand like crazy, but stay together for above average penetration. If you want more penetration order the Hawks with a thicker jacket.
02-20-2020, 09:27 AM
Lots of interesting information here. Still considering getting a 30-30 re-bored to 356. I have a 35 Remington and don't need a 35-30 so like the idea of the 356. Thing is I don't know for sure what to do with it as the 30-30 does just fine for me.