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« on: October 22, 2009, 05:18:24 PM » |
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Trying to figure out what type of Vernier tang sight and front globe set that will fit on a Marlin .. Yes new model.. Will the Winchester and Browning sets work or would they have to be fitted by a good smith if none available for the Marlin
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 08:32:38 PM » |
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Hey there Gunjunkie - I think it would be best to get a sight base specific to your rifle for the best results. If I remember correctly, Winchester tangs are 21 degrees off level and Marlin tangs are 18 degrees from level (could be the other way around). With the base installed, either by you or a gunsmith, the sight staff itself would then be attached with just a screw. There may still be some adjustment necessary to insure it's vertical and snugs up on the retaining spring in that position. Nothing to tough!! The front sight globe often just drives in the front sight dovetail. A lot of globe sight inserts have unequal tabs on them so they can only be inserted one way. Something to watch for when you get to that part. Good luck. Hope this helps. Wind (Responding to this post by no means implies that I am an expert!!)
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 01:20:16 PM » |
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Well.. it's really not for me.. I need scope to shoot the longrange sil matches.. buddy is trying to set up a new xrl 30-30 for it.. I figured the front wouldn't be a problem.. but the tang would be..
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 02:48:26 PM » |
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Hey again Gunjunkie - Had to go look up what the new Marlin XLR was all about!! Every lever gun I own is seriously old. Me too for that matter. I don't see any reason that a Marbles tang sight wouldn't fulfill your friends needs. I'd be willing to bet two nickels that Marbles makes one for that rifle. The newer sights come with longer staffs that are interchangeable. You could leave the front sight as is. The Marbles has elevation AND windage adjustments. The standard length ones I have on some of my Winchester 94's and 92's will get me out to 300 yards with no problem. They offer easier repeatability over the ranges silhouette is shot, as you just count the clicks up or down for the yardage you are shooting. Vernier sight graduations are a little harder for my eyes to see and therefore would be easier to make a setting mistake. Hope this helps and remember I'm no expert!! Best regards. Wind
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 03:18:23 PM » |
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He has been using the Vernier type on some of the shooters rifles and he is stubbon as mule when to comes to not having the set up he wants.. LOL..
We may have to stick to the Marbles.. but hoping we can get the other type to work.. No hurry have lots of time to get this worked out..
Buffalo Arms list one for a 1894 ,, but not sure if the degrees are the same on the 336 or not..
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 07:12:50 PM » |
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Whatever style you pick, the breechbolt will hit it when he works thw action if it's a tang sight. Not a big deal to me, but some folks just get all worked up about this. I'd point him towards the vernier that Jeff's Outfitters sells. I know a few guys shooting lever action silhouette using them, and having good success. http://www.jeffsoutfitters.com/store.aspx?panel=3&productid=425&categoryid=67As for the globe, just about any good Lyman or Redfield will work, or one of the new repros of the Win. or Sharps globe.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 08:31:25 PM » |
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I am by no means an expert but came across this web site cause I am thinking of going with a vernier tang peep for a Model 93 project of my own. They also have different front globe sights. I hope this helps. http://www.riflesmith.com/sightsmarlin.html
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 08:14:55 PM » |
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Carmen Axtell's company makes some of the nicest repro sights around.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 04:42:12 AM » |
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Wow.. thanks guys.. will be looking at these closer
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 11:18:05 AM » |
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Hey, wait a minute---- you are one of the experts! 
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2009, 08:30:13 PM » |
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Hey, wait a minute---- you are one of the experts!  Not even close.. I am kindergarden compared to most of the professors on this site.. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2009, 07:22:04 PM » |
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Depends what model of Marlin you want to put the sight on. Marlinman 93 is right about the breechbolt on the Model 1893 and '93 hitting the staff of all modern tang sights. There are no manufacturers that have reproduced the original Marlin tang sight for these two models. If you decide to look for an original Lyman tang sight then look for a 'J' stamp under the base which will fit the BLACKPOWDER versions of the .32-40 and .38-55 rifles only. All Model 1893's and '93's marked ' Special Smokeless Steel' including the .32-40 as well as the .38-55 take a Lyman sight with the letters 'JA' stamped under the base. Nothing else works on these models. The Model of 1894 and Model '94 will take an original Lyman sight marked with an 'E' under the base. Marbles makes a nice reproduction tang sight with windage as well as elevation that will fit on the Model 1894 and Model '94. Buffalo Arms did at one time confuse this Marbles sight as being able to mount to the Model of 1893 and Model '93 but have now corrected their catalogue. They are good people. The original Lyman 'E' marked sight will fit on the Models 1888 and 1889 as well.The Model 1895 (original) takes the original Lyman sight marked under the base with the letters 'JM '. The Models 1891, 1892 and 1897 in .22 calibre take an original Lyman sight marked 'H' under the base plate. The other alternative for very old eyes like mine is an aperture sight,either vintage as in the sidebar photo or modern by Williams or Lyman and others.. Unfortunately these will almost certainly require drilling and tapping the receiver. Original rifles made after August 1903 are factory drilled and tapped to accept the factory combination receiver sight patented by L.L.Hepburn in Aug 1903. In these rifles the stamping 'Marlin Safety' will have been moved down the receiver toward the barrel so that the drilled and tapped holes doesn't obscure it. good luck.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2009, 09:17:17 PM » |
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Can't remember which company but with either Riflesmith or MVA (can't remember which one), you can buy one sight and then all you have to do is buy bases. Saves a lot of bucks. Unfortunately, pretty sure neither one makes the correct base for the 93 so the the bolt don't hit.
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