39 owners fail to fire or eject read this. Formerly (I think I've got it)

[wajo]

I've read several posts now about the newer 39A's propensity for it's failure to fire and or eject. I also have a new 39A and while it only ftf's on average 1 out 100 which I can live with, it's the fte that is driving me nuts. I think I may have an answer for that but would like to ask for your opinions before working on the gun. While looking on midways website I came across the ejecter for this gun and noticed that it''s a bit different then the one on my gun. Mine has a bit of a ridge or bump just before the flat spot that would kick the spent case out. Could the bump gradually be sliding the case off the clip and not pushing it like it's supposed to. I think if I were to grind the bump off that should fix things for me. What be your thoughts? I really love my marlins, it's not just a slogan, they really are my favorite but I'm getting tired of turning this sideways to shake out another shell.   

[Drail57]

Mine does great but Im interested incase I run across this problem.
Does it eject but not with force you know flip that hull out. Does it just kinda toss it into the receiver or does it not eject atall.? Does the extractor keep a good grip on the shell until the ejector tries to throw it out? Im going to take mine apart and have a look. I will be back in a few minutes. This interests me.
 Daryl

[Drail57]

I took mine apart and right away remembered something.Are you familiar with the screw in the ejector. It is to be turned 1/2 turn while holding the ejector down and then the screw will hold it that way for cleaning purposes. After cleaning the screw is turned back and the ejector reurns to normal. maybe someone has left it locked down. Check and see.
 Daryl

[kerr]

 Are you working the lever too softly or too slow? Its a new gun , make sure the ammo is clean and when you eject a spent round lever it kinda sharply or fairly hard all the way down and than all the way up in a swift movement. Dont stop in mid stroke I guess I am saying. And the more level you hold it the better . It will slicken up with use . Get some CCI Mini Mags and blast away and it will loosen up for you.

[Drail57]

I keep forgetting about the lever being worked slow.I hate handing my rifles to other guys to shoot although they are usually friends. It seems like everyone wants to slow work the lever and stop midstream to admire the gun and feel. I dont work them hard or what I would call fast but I dont stop and gaulk like some do.Thats a good point Kerr. He may have some gunk behind the ejector slowing it up too.May just need cleaned. You seen the type that stop the lever midstream havent you Kerr?Man I hate it when they do that.
 Daryl

[wajo]

Wow, that was fast. Yes I'm aware of the screw that holds the ejecter down and have made sure it is completly out of the way. I've tried cycing fast, slow, 90 degrees, sideways, you name it, it still fte's about 50% of the time. There has only been a couple sent out with any kind of force to speak of, mostly they just fall out and roll over my hand.

[Drail57]

Id say take the ejector out and inspect it. Im not sure but I think its like a leaf spring. Maybe its broke at the bend and just hanging in there.You will know soon as you take it out.
 Daryl

[wajo]

Here's a thought. Could it be the type of shells I'm using. I have been using win. super x bulk box stuff and cci shorts. I hope I don't have to buy the premium stuff just to plink. I've had the ejector out and the spring is not broken.

[kerr]

 I think there is a stickey somewhere that shows how to clean up the edge of the extractor a bit . Put a little Rim oil in the bolt and pick around in there a little , maybe just some gunk is all it is . I have never had a N.I.B. 39 but have owned at least a dozen or so and I have never had on that wouldn't eject if clean . Thats why I hate bargain ammo , dang stuff is dirty going in and dirty going out.

Yep Drail57 , lots of folks like to work the action too slow and like you say kinda look around in there. On one that has some use on it there usually is not a problem . I dont know maybe these new ones have some issues.     Good luck with it anyway.

[Drail57]

Man I dont know. Dont think the ammo would cause ejection problems. Ive read where a extractor holding the shell to tight can cause that.I bet somebody knows.How hard is the ejector to push in with your finger? Mines kinda hard to push(strong spring) Im gonna look at  mine again. Seems like theres something about the ejector being held in until a certain point bythe bolt or something and then at that exact place it pops out ejecting the shell. Im gonna work mine a few times .Ive got some empties to play with. It flings those shells out like a sling shot.Be back.
 Daryl

[Drail57]

Ityped the last reply and forgot to send it. Until I checked the gun. So I sent it anyway. I just put a cb in minesafety on cause it was live round and no one home. When I work the lever slow I feel a first stop if you want to call it that. I can see the CB being held perfect and suspended by the bolt and extractor. It is moving backwards with the bolt and the shell is not touching anything.After that first stop then I move the lever a bit m,ore and can feel tension (normal) and after a short travel like this I can see the cb start to angle out a bit towards the side port of the gun. Then after it has angled a bit just a little very little more lever movement and fling,just a sudden flip of the bullet.
 Hope that makes a little since.
The bolt  doesnt have gunk build up in one of the grooves or anything does it?
 Daryl

[Drail57]

Im bored thats why I can be quiet sorry. I just watched the ejector while slowly opening the bolt with lever. That little notch in the ejector closes in on the rim of the cartridge on the left side as it is moving rearward. The other side(right) of the rim is being held by the extractor. So at a certain point they are both holding the cartridge. Then as the bolt moves farther rearward the extractor is still gripping and moving rearward also.The ejector does not move rearward and when the bolt is moved far enough the ejector pushes the shell out to the right and the extractor is what gives it the fling cause it is trying to grip the shell on the one side and the shell is setting side ways from the ejector pushing it to the right. Kinda like pushing down on a flat coin with another and it flips up off the table as the pressing coin is forced off the side of the one laying flat.Gee Im definitley bored.
 Daryl

[Drail57]

So dont file that little bump off. If the little notch in the ejector where the bump is has junk in it the extractor will just roll the shell out kinda slow like you said yours is doing.
 Daryl

[wajo]

Thanks for all the help Daryl. I've been playing with mine a lot as well. I must have had it apart 10 times by now. I'm at a bit of a loss trying to figure this out because as you mentioned the clip holds the shell on tight. So whether or not the shell slides off or gets pushed out the clip should still fling it outward. By the way my gun is nothing if not clean.

[Drail57]

Work the action slow with no round in it. Watch the extractor moving back as it brings the shell inline with the notch in the ejector the ejector closes in and they are now both holding the shell. Looking at it with no round and moving the lever slow you can see all this and that the ejector does not move out fast it just pushes the shell to the right and the extractor flings it.I would say a new extracotor or ejector would cure it but not sure. I do understand how it works now thanks to this thread.Take a close look at the extractor with the bolt out of the gun and see if you can figure it out. The extractor may not be gripping the rim tight enough.That really sounds close to whats going on. Let us know. I would never have just looked at mine to see how it worked if not for your question. Thanks it helped me too.
 Daryl