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    Why no 45-70+410?

    A while back the idea of a 45-70 lever firing 410 shells tickled my fancy, so I did a bit of research on the topic. The end result was that I found out they can do it, but ejecting the spent shell was almost always the hangup. As an aside, you'd end up with donut patterning because of the rifling, but at home defense ranges, I'd imagine this to be a minimal concern.

    If i had found a firearm capable of doing this, I probably would have forgone the 30-30 I just bought for one of these hybrid bad boys. Of course you can argue that a shotty does the same thing with slugs, but just curious why this option hasn't been explored yet.

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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    A .410 shotgun for defense? Over a 45/70? There might be a reason no one's tried to make it work.
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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    What? There's a .410 out there that can deploy with the power of 45-70?
    If they actully built .410s to handle slugs with that power, sure... But they don't, which is why I'm looking at it from the 45-70 end, not the .410 end.

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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn
    A .410 shotgun for defense? Over a 45/70? There might be a reason no one's tried to make it work.
    I'm with papajohn on this one, a .410 is barely adequate for the tough squirrel population here.
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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    Marlin already makes an 1895 410 kind of. Wouldn't try shooting them out of my 45/70.



    Cabelas still sells them. 2 3/4" 410 shot shell
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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    I think the concept is interesting. With the interest in the Judge line of pistols, there is a goodly amount of home defense ammo comming out for the 410 shotgun. The load of three 410 disk with large shot comes to mind.
    And there have been short 410 pumps for home defense.
    Still, if I wanted to use a 410 for home defense, I would get a purpose built 410.
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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    You could always get a "Circuit Judge" It's not a .45-70, but .45 Colt can be pretty potent out of a rifle-length barrel.
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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    I think it is a moot point.

    Why not just load up some .45-70 cases with shot? A person could load a mag similar to how we did at the prisons, so the rounds get cycled in order of shot-load, shot-load, bullet, bullet, bullet.

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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    While I try to avoid defensive debates, I can understand why the inquiry since boxed 45/70 bullets & energy were built for hunting, and at room distances penetration will be excessive (even after striking your target)-does not mean it won't work, it will be just too risky, IMHO and experience. Even the thinnest rapidly expanding hollowpoints may just be too powerful unless a custom frangible bullet is used.

    Now working with a posse in a wooded environment manhunt, or vehicular roadblock/security checkpoint? I'd say the 45/70 is not a bad choice.

    Don't know much about .410's but I always felt if I needed a shotgun, my 12 gauge was the "go to."
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    Re: Why no 45-70+410?

    Shot loads would be good in a survival rifle like the co pilot WWG makes. You could shoot small game to eat. I once read an article about loading regular brass with #6 shot sandwiched between cardboard disks and then sealing the case mouth with paraffin wax.


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