Poor workmanship on Rossi R-92, Part 2

[BFPGW]

Bashing is exactly what some of this is. And I don't blame the OP for it given he has a new rifle with an abominable condition. Frustration is a forgivable emotion in a situation like this. After the whole process has run it's course is the time for a reasonable conclusion. Frankly, that bolt could have been headed for the reject bin when some co-worker came up to the inspector to show a photo on his smartphone of some bare-breasted female and every QC function went out the window for a brief moment. As many know, proof marks are only proof it came out the shipping door of a firearm manufacturer. There are no requirements to "proof fire" a firearm. Besides, the OP stated that he fired it as well.......before inspecting the firearm? Before cleaning it upon it's arrival? If so, the QC at the OP's house is a bit suspect too.

This is not meant to be a condemnation of anyone who has had a bad experience with a Rossi or any other make or the OP in this case. But mistakes are made and processes are adulterated by us mortals. It happens. How we deal with it upon discovery of the issue is a better measure overall.

Hope it all turns out well in the end. Looks like this one was a close call with disaster.

Jeff

[300yddog]

Bashing is exactly what some of this is. And I don't blame the OP for it given he has a new rifle with an abominable condition. Frustration is a forgivable emotion in a situation like this. After the whole process has run it's course is the time for a reasonable conclusion. Frankly, that bolt could have been headed for the reject bin when some co-worker came up to the inspector to show a photo on his smartphone of some bare-breasted female and every QC function went out the window for a brief moment. As many know, proof marks are only proof it came out the shipping door of a firearm manufacturer. There are no requirements to "proof fire" a firearm. Besides, the OP stated that he fired it as well.......before inspecting the firearm? Before cleaning it upon it's arrival? If so, the QC at the OP's house is a bit suspect too.

This is not meant to be a condemnation of anyone who has had a bad experience with a Rossi or any other make or the OP in this case. But mistakes are made and processes are adulterated by us mortals. It happens. How we deal with it upon discovery of the issue is a better measure overall.

Hope it all turns out well in the end. Looks like this one was a close call with disaster.

Jeff

Ya know, given some of the Remlin stories I did give the rifle and the bore a study at the GS when I purchased it and cycled it a few times as well. And when I got it home I cleaned it prior to my shooting it. It was then that I noted the dirtyness. After a trip to the range and while inspecting the resulting brass did I notice the odd markings to the brass that led me to dis-assemble the rifle. Take a close look at the flaws and you'll see that these were 'hidden' until removal of the bolt made them appearant. Sure, my admonitions at the beginning of these threads to dis-assemble a Rossi at the GS are a bit over the top, but ONLY had I done so would I have seen the flaws. And btw, Rossi is selling rifles, and not kits. As for the notion of a distracted employee getting all googlie-eyed, this is an unfounded suppostion that if we were dealing with dog chew toys MAY offer a bit of cover for some really third world production techniques. But, as you know we are dealing with machines that kill. Thank you, though for your comments, I'm still fuming at Rossi and I mean no disrespect.

[BFPGW]

No problem dog. I've been in situations that make me fume too. My example was just that. An example. Categorizing Rossi as a 3rd world manufacurer because of this incident is a little hard to swallow for those of us on the outside looking in on this scenario. It's gross negligence on some individual or individuals part. A lot of guns get shipped from their plant(s) that give great pleasure and service to their owners.

Just don't let the frustration get the best of you. We're pullin' for you buddy!

Jeff

[MULEMAN]

I will add some personal experience to this converation. Rossi's are made in Brazil. I currently am working in Brazil and have been for a while. I can tell you from personal experience. Brazilian workers are NOT U.S. workers. There is a cultural difference, which affects everything they do. This is not to say they are bad people, do not get me wrong. I have some very good brazilians working for me. However, it is very difficult to get across how important some things are. Unless it is soccer, you have a hard time convining them something is really important. I am not making excusses for the workmanship, I am just stating there are other issues the people in charge ( I am sure Americans) are deaing with in a Brazilian factory, that are just not present in a U.S. factory. As I said in my previous post, I like my Rossi's, but it took some work to make them what I consider a good gun. I am looking forward to seeing how your gun and the service you receive turns out. Please keep us posted. Thanks, Jamie

[farmaloose]

I have bought a few Rossi:s + a few Taurus over the years.+after a lifetime of S+Ws+colts+rugers WELL they just had to "go away" I learn the hard way always have. save a dime lose a dollar.

[pricedo]

And btw, Rossi is selling rifles, and not kits.

My definition of a finished rifle is a firearm that is other than a cursory barrel swab ready to shoot out of the box.
My definition of a kit is a firearm that needs significant work before it can be fired.
In all cases my Rossis needed to be disassembled and thoroughly cleaned to get rid of an accumulation of cosmoline, machining shavings & grindings, grit, dirt and other gunk out of the action & bore before I could fire them.
In other cases grinding, filing, deburring and polishing of parts where roughshod workmanship & machining was apparent was required.
By my own definition the Rossis I purchased were essentially kits.
But as I said before MY Rossis turned out to be really nice guns once the preliminary clean up & fix up was done.
Again I am speaking exclusively & solely about MY 4 Rossis and not all Rossis.
If I had the choice to buy my 4 Rossis again I would.
Check them over meticulously BEFORE you leave the store.

[MULEMAN]

Pricedo, I agree with your assesment. I really like my Rossi 92 in 480 Ruger, all the recoil of my marlin 45-70 with only half the powder

[pricedo]

Pricedo, I agree with your assesment. I really like my Rossi 92 in 480 Ruger, all the recoil of my marlin 45-70 with only half the powder

My 3 pre safety Rossi Puma 92s were the only true to John Brownings design model 92 clones other than guns made by custom shops to be sold in the United States. They are not encumbered with tang safeties, rebounding hammers, firing pin safeties or any
such nonsense.
Sure wish Braztech would quit warehousing their guns in that Florida bayou.

[pricedo]

Pricedo, I agree with your assesment. I really like my Rossi 92 in 480 Ruger, all the recoil of my marlin 45-70 with only half the powder

The .454 Casull Rossi Puma 92 has a nasty kick by virtue of the fast pistol powders (H110 or W296 or 1 of the 4227s) used in the ammo.

The medium magnum rifles (.300 Win, .338 Win,) deliver more of a "push" while the .454 shooter experiences a hard, sharp impact to the shoulder like a Mike Tyson jab.

I think the physics word is impulse.

After a couple of boxes (@20) of Hornady 300 grain XTP ammo you're ready to call it an afternoon.

I'd hate to experience that gun without the recoil pad..........it would be NASTY !

[44-40 Willy]

The Rossi built Navy Arms 1892s were built to Navy Arms specs with American walnut wood and excellent fit and finish as well as no dang safety other than the traditional half cock. In some respects I consider it a better gun than my 1982 vintage Marlin 1894C. It's certainly more accurate. I also have a Rossi 62 octagon pump 22. Although it has the usual Brazillian mystery hardwood for a stock, it's an excellent gun that I'd hold up to most US made 22s including the Remington made Model 39A.

Rossi can build excellent rifles. Maybe, I've just had great luck with the two I have, but I wouldn't be afraid to buy another.