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    And, My hat is off to you. Pray to God that I can still hunt at age 74!

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    Greetings Muley Hunter
    Have a good friend who 5 years ago poped the largest Black bear in his county (500+ pounds) in NE Penn with a 270 at 100 yards as he was walking home. Bear folded on the spot. Big black saw him. So yes a 308 with a good bullet will do the same.

    But you mention "close encounters" and "charges" ! My up close bear gun (60 yards and less) is a double Fox 12 gauge loaded with .685 round ball cast of wheel weight moving at 1350 fps up to 1550 fps depending on the clothing worn. Two fast shots that you will never feel with a De-excelerator pad mounted. A scope could be mounted but mine has a peep on it with a large white ball up front. This load will far out "thwap" any 308. Yes I also shoot 308's.

    But even better would be the Mossy pump 12. Lighter, 5 shots, and with the rifled barrel far more accurate with the same load. 5 fast shots that you will never feel with the De-excelerator pad. And the Mossy makes your fine scope easy mounted. Rig probably weighs hardly more than a bolt rifle and will stop the fight.
    So just another route to think about. Browny hunters have used 12 bore with round ball and solid slugs for years in thick stuff.

    If I was to use a rifle it would be a 50 something. I am partial to a 50 Alaskan with a flat nose 450 grainer chugging along at 1750 fps. Not a hard conversion on a Marlin 1895. Again a proven rig for big bears up close who have an attitude.

    But in the end you will place your life and future into what you carry. When it comes to nasty sharp toothed bity critters I will choose "thwap" over comfort every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kendawg View Post
    What brand/model scope were you thinking? I use a 1-4x24 Trijicon on my close - medium range .308 setup, it's awesome for low light and it has an illuminated quick reflex reticle that doesn't require batteries. The reticle comes in three colors, red, green, and yellow and is always "on". This picture below was taken from my scope.

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    That looks interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazer View Post
    Well, I'm not downplaying the .308 at all....I have a few rifles in that caliber and it is a great round....I've experimented using gas checked heavier cast bullets(at up to 2000fps) and heavier bullets in general. I just always figured that the bigger the wound channel the better!! That and the fact where I hunt is usually in wooded ravines. I never did ask at what ranges you'd be shooting at! Only thing I'd recommend is that you get a firedot scope since you hunt at dusk and dawn (so do I) i have Leupold 1.25-4 VX-R on my bear rifle, what sold me on the Leupold was the ability to "turn down the light intensity" of the red dot down to the point you can barely see it....which I like when the light is low and I'm looking into the woods or into shade.

    We can't use any kind of electronic sight here in Colorado unless we remove the battery. Which defeats owning one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tman View Post
    30-30 has killed more black bear than all the magnums combined. And, If you want to make extra sure, Buffalo Bore sells a Heavy 30-30 190grn. load that will penetrate the length of a black bear. .308WCF is also an excellent choice, perhaps a bit of overkill compared to the 30-30. Good choices. Luck with your quest and good hunting!
    How well I know. My dad got me a 30-30 from Christmas when I was 10 years old. I've been killing bear, elk and muleys ever since. I just want to try something different.

    We all need some sort of an excuse to buy a new gun. This is all I could come up with.
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    A 30-30 would make me feel very confident. A 35 Remington would make me feel even more so.

    A 44 Magnum loaded with 300-305 grain loads would also be a strong contender (and is my hunting caliber of choice).
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    What you guys seem to have missed is what i've used in the past for bears. Yes, a 30-30, but also a flintlock. A 225gr .54 cal PRB (round ball) with real black powder and primitive open sights. It was lucky to have 900fpe at my close ranges. Lots of bear, elk and muley's fell to that gun. No bang-flops, but dead none the less.

    A .308 is a large giant step up in power. Did anybody read the link I posted on bear cartridges by Chuck Hawks? He considers the .308 good all the way up to trophy bears.
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    Energy at 100yds for a 30-30 with a 170gr bullet is 1355fpe. For a .308 with a 180gr bullet it's 2371fpe.

    I'm confused why some of you can recommend a 30-30 and not think a .308 is a lot better?
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    Never killed a bear but have seen a few examples of what the 44mag can do to one and to some very large hogs. The old Ruger 44mag autoloader carbine always seemed like it would be great for 100 yards in for bear. Its light, dependable ,fast handling and packs some fire power and don't have hardly any recoil. Cons are they can be hard to find. You probably wouldn't think of Florida as having big black bear but several have been hit on roads that have topped 600 lbs and one was killed by the game commission in Central Florida that was 780 lbs very close to a record for Blacks.
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    I should also mention if I didn't already. I already bought the Ruger.

    I should say I ordered it from the local gun shop. It should be here in a week.
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