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    Question Brass Trim Length .32 Win. Special For Lever FTX 165 ??

    I am planning to handload some .32 Win. Special, with Hornady 165 grain FTX. I have resized my brass, it is mixed, Hornady, and W.W. I measured the Hornady brass, and it measures about 2.040", or just under. The W.W. brass measures about 2.030". In my Hornady 4th edition handbook, it gives the trim length at 2.030" for .32 Special brass. My question is, as this is trim data from before FTX was around, (It is for 170 grain F.P. bullets) is the trim length different with FTX bullets

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    IF you are going to use the cannelure, measure the distance from the cannelure to the tip and compare that to a 170 F.P. - that will give you your answer. The bottom is line is always, make it fit your rifle. Other option is to simply use a Lee FCD and seat the bullet where it fits your chamber. The Lee FCD will crimp it wherever it needs to be.

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    The new Hornady #8 manual has the 32spl. case length as.

    "Remington cases with a max. case length of 2.040" and a case trim length 2.030"."

    What powder are you using.

    data with the #32005 FTX. 165 gr. C.O.L: 2.545" Peimer Federal 210 Powder Leverevolution 33.1 gr. 35.0 gr. 36.8 gr. 38.5 gr. @ 2300fps. out of a Win. 94 20" 1 in 16 twist barrel

    Hope this helps.
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    FYI- My 1970 Lyman manual lists 32 Winchester Special- Maximum case length 2.040", Trim-to length 2.035".
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    Thanks for the replys. I am using Hodgdon Leverevolution. My #4 Hornady manual (1993) lists 2.040, Max. case length, and 2.030, Trim length. So it looks like the same case specs for FTX bullets. I did measure from cannalure to tip on both FTX, and F.P., and they are about the same. Below the cannalure the FTX is longer to the base than the F.P.
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    So the FTX will seat a touch deeper for the OAL as the F.P. That would explain why powder charges are different, along with the minor difference in bullet weight. All this is meaningful, but also easy to overthink. Proper loading procedure calls for starting on the low end and working up. Using that method, you seat the bullets to feed through the magazine and fit the chamber, and stop adding powder when you hit your point of accuracy or maximum pressures, whichever comes first - and not get too caught up in what the book says about OAL. The book didn't cut the chamber in your rifle. Your finished cartridge should fit the chamber in your rifle. All chambers aren't created equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308/338 View Post
    Landngrove

    The new Hornady #8 manual has the 32spl. case length as.

    "Remington cases with a max. case length of 2.040" and a case trim length 2.030"."

    What powder are you using.

    data with the #32005 FTX. 165 gr. C.O.L: 2.545" Peimer Federal 210 Powder Leverevolution 33.1 gr. 35.0 gr. 36.8 gr. 38.5 gr. @ 2300fps. out of a Win. 94 20" 1 in 16 twist barrel

    Hope this helps.
    TNY
    I just want to note that the data with the Leverevolution powder in my above post is also for the #3210 FP.170 gr. Bullet. So if you choose to use the LVR. charges above remember the "#32005 FTX" 32spl. 165 gr. FTX bullet will seat deeper than the "#3210 FP." 170 gr.FP. bullet and you will have less case capacity for powder. Your load may not reach 38.5 gr. of LVR without a compressed load and or high pressure.

    I have a Win. 94 Wrangler 32spl. and I haven't loaded any FTX. bullets yet. My reason was it was only a few dollars difference between buying component and buying five boxes "100 cartridges" of factory Leverevolution ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308/338 View Post
    I just want to note that the data with the Leverevolution powder in my above post is also for the #3210 FP.170 gr. Bullet. So if you choose to use the LVR. charges above remember the "#32005 FTX" 32spl. 165 gr. FTX bullet will seat deeper than the "#3210 FP." 170 gr.FP. bullet and you will have less case capacity for powder. Your load may not reach 38.5 gr. of LVR without a compressed load and or high pressure.

    I have a Win. 94 Wrangler 32spl. and I haven't loaded any FTX. bullets yet. My reason was it was only a few dollars difference between buying component and buying five boxes "100 cartridges" of factory Leverevolution ammo.

    TNY
    The new Hornady manual gives the same powder charge for either the 165FTX or the 170 gr.RN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLBIKER View Post
    The new Hornady manual gives the same powder charge for either the 165FTX or the 170 gr.RN.
    yeah I think that is what I said

    TNY

    PS. But I have not loaded any 32spl. & FTX. ammo yet, so don't know. So just being it to Landngrove attention. better safe than sorry. The Hornady #8 manual doesn't list compressed loads. But has the same powder data for the same weight bullets with different seating depth requirements.

    I will say I think the LVR 38.5 gr. will be a compress load using the 165 gr. FTX. Hodgdon has the 30 30 160 gr.FTX LVR. at 35.5 gr. Compress load. The 30 30 & 32spl. case have about the same powder capacity, the 32spl is only larger in the neck, Which the bullet fills anyhow.
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    I put 38.5 grains of LVR in a case, took the 165 grain FTX and put the cannalure next to the case mouth. It sure lookks like a compressed load, as the body of the FTX extends to the shoulder area, which is full with powder.


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