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    A new 3030 reload question

    In a trade, I got some .30 cal gas checked cast bullets. They weigh 180 grains. Does anyone have load data for 180 grains cast/gaschchecked in 30-30? SEEMS like I have seen some.
    Anysuggestions??

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    There's plenty of data for 170-173-grain gas-checked bullets in various manuals. Use the starting loads listed and work up from there.

    If none of your manuals show data for that weight range, tell us what powders you have, and we can provide data. Cast boolits, even with gas checks, are pretty forgiving as long as you don't try to push them to hard. Do you want to hunt with them, or just find a good all-purpose load?
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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    Here's some data I got off the Hodgdon web site:

    Bullet Powder DIA. COL. GR VEL Pressure
    170 GR. SIE FP Hodgdon H4198 .308" 2.550" 20.5 1,764 27,300 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP IMR IMR 4198 .308" 2.550" 21.0 1,800 27,400 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP Hodgdon Benchmark .308" 2.550" 25.3 1,894 32,200 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP Hodgdon H335 .308" 2.550" 27.5 1,934 29,000 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP IMR IMR 4895 .308" 2.550" 29.8 1,938 30,500 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.550" 27.5 1,947 28,200 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP IMR IMR 3031 .308" 2.550" 27.5 1,959 27,500 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.550" 29.5 1,976 30,200 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP IMR IMR 4320 .308" 2.550" 30.0 1,976 35,400 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP IMR IMR 4064 .308" 2.550" 29.8 1,991 30,700 CUP
    170 GR. SIE FP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .308" 2.550" 32.5 2,048 27,900 CUP

    These are recommended STARTING loads for 170gr bullet.

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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    None of my manuals have a 30-30 cast/gas check load, but I found some on the internet after posting here, BUT I would appreciate any input that any one has here. It looks to be interesting.

    I have Varget, IMR 4350, IMR 4895, Reloder 7, H 414.

    I don't have enough 3031 to start up with, I am saving it for now for The Patent Pending All Purpose Papa John Load ........

    I am thinking that I may want to work it into a hunting load. Definitely thinking 50 yard thick woods load. I don't have a lot of them, so not going to exploit the work-up process, just want them minute of deer at 50.....75 TOPS......2 inches open sighted at these ranges (for me) would be excellent.

    Also, copper fouling in my bore.....I clean it good after every range/hunting session. Will it be a problem shifting back and forth from a jacketed load to a cast/GC load? FPS possible??

    Thanks to everyone again.


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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    "Will it be a problem shifting back and forth from a jacketed load to a cast/GC load?"

    Potentially, yes. If significant copper fouling exists, cast bullet accuracy may go to pot until it is removed or shot out.

    One of my 336's in 35 Remington will puke cast bullets into about 12 inches at 25 yards if they are shot through a well copper fouled barrel. Being impatient, and being in an inquisitive mood, I kept shooting cast through it (and these were plainbase bullets to boot) and eventually, after about 20 or 30 rounds, accuracy settled to normal with the cast bullets. Antimonial alloys have, supposedly on a fine scale, enough "grab" to actually remove jacket fouling but it may take a while.

    To see if moderate fouling will have an effect, try cast accuracy after only a few jacketed rounds are shot through the barrel to simulate a hunting situation. Since barrels foul to different degrees, nobody can predict what will happen for sure beforehand....you've got to shoot and see what happens. Sometimes cast bullet lubricant, especially if applied to excess for the load, may cause odd things to happen to jacketed bullets as they have a different grip on the barrel as opposed to an unlubed condition, so shooting jacketed after cast isn't a slam dunk for accuracy when the reverse situation is applied, either.

    I've got some rifles where a few shots of jacketed can be fired, or sometimes up to 30 or more rounds, and even so accuracy is not affected when subsequent cast bullets are fired. This is often dependant on the intensity of the cartridge, as high speed, high pressure cartridges tend to be worse barrel foulers with jacketed than the rather mild thutty thutty and .35. On the flip side, your mild levergun cartridge barrel may be rough or have reamer marks in it that catch jacket fouling and will cause lead bullet accuracy to go to pot after only a few rounds of jacketed are fired.

    Which is why you've got to check your own situation and see. A .30-30 or .35 with a good, smooth barrel from being fired with many jacketed rounds will often be the most tolerant of the cast/jacketed switching of all, assuming you've lucked on to such a beast. The only milder jacket fouling arms are such as the .22 magnum and 25-20 with good barrels.

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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    Ummmmmm..........well...............
    I think I may have found another Marlin 30-30 that I may turn into a dedicated cast bullet shooter............crap............I got it.........I knew I did..........but now..........I know it is going into it's next stages..........


    crap.................

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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    Haybaler, you might want to whistle up John Kort, 30 WCF.

    He does a lot with cast and the 30-30.

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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    Quote Originally Posted by Haybaler
    I don't have enough 3031 to start up with, I am saving it for now for The Patent Pending All Purpose Papa John Load ........
    The PJL uses IMR-4895...........though I'm getting ready to test it with H-4895, and see what difference it makes.

    I've long thought having separate rifles for shooting jacketed and cast would save a lot of aggrevation, compared to switching back and forth.
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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    I thought it used 3031?? NOW I gotta start all over again!!! ROFLMAO.........

    Dang....my wife says I'm losing it.......I guess I am.........

    OK ON TO IMR 4895!!!!!!!!!!!! To boldly go where many have gone before.........

    dang........that sounds like my first wife.........

    PJ any powder suggestions with the cast on what I have listed in my inventory

    I have Varget, IMR 4350, IMR 4895, Reloder 7, H 414.

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    Re: A new 3030 reload question

    IMR-4895 or Varget should do you fine, I use both. I haven't used 3031 in 25 years. Not a bad powder, it was used by the factories for many years in 30-30 ammo, (and probably still is) I've just had better results in my guns with other powders.
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