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    Bigger is Better?

    So, if a .30-30 is an elk & bear rifle...

    Why do we have and apparently "need" bigger, more powerful cartridges? When is the cartridge/bullet big enough?

    Curious, as I hunt deer with rifles from .24 - .50 cal, and have killed a few with a .223 as well.

    Is bigger, better? Why and when? Under what circumstances?

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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    I like 35s (356 Win, 358 Win, and 35 Whelen) because in my experience (not all that extensive) they tend to 'drop' elk and mulies more quickly than the 260, 270, and 280 I've used. All the animals died, but deer, elk, and two Canadian black bears fell exactly where hit with the 35s using identical bullet placement.

    Just to be honest, though, I've only used 225 and 250 grain Partitions for elk & bear in the 35s - I used Hornadys, Speers, and Sierras in the smaller calibers, so I actually have changed 2 major variables.

    I killed a huge mulie at about 10 steps with a 54 caliber T/C New Englander; he fell like a train had hit him to a dead on shot in the brisket that stopped in his pelvic girdle.
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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    We're Americans.... bigger is better

    My only base of reference so far with different calibers was between a .300 savage 150gr and a .35 remington 200gr. Any of the deer couldn't tell the difference. They all hit the ground very quickly.
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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    I can never decide so I just keep buy more calibers.
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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    Sometimes bigger is not better...

    Learning to Control what you have can lead to better results.

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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    I like 416 caliber rifles for use on elk and moose. The wide and heavy bullet smashes through heavy bone, transmits a lot of shock and penetrates very well for quick spectacular kills. It also shoots relatively flat and retains a lot of energy down range.

    A wise choice for hunting in areas where there's big Bear.
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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    If I was hunting anything with big, sharp teeth and/or claws, or could stomp me into the ground, I want to be able to even up the odds! I'm sure the PH's on safaris carry those BIG rifles for a reason.

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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    Guy, apparently you haven't seen the rabbits we grow in TN. You can never be overgunned. Just imagine you are sneeking around a cedar thicket to peek into a corn field hoping that big buch is out there. All of the sudden you run into a TN rabbit. If armed with a 30-30 or such like you would be rabbit food.....Get a .416 Rigby and learn how to use it............



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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    I live in Florida where bigger is required when you're walking in the swamp and sometimes in your own yard/pasture. If only I would have had my 1895 Guide Gun with me at my best friends party last year this wouldn't have happened. The party was too close to the lake.




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    Re: Bigger is Better?

    30-30 You really don't need any more than that, it's lacking is factory loadings above 170gns for bigger critters.

    If Marlin had continued the 38-55 Loading into the 336 in 1948 and kept, it a few I can think of would not have came about 250gn slug moving along in the 2000fps area would have done a lot more in the big game arena.
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