I guess there is a first time for everything..."I hate to do this Butt.." I agree with Bestlever...Can't believe I said that...Now it's Mouth Wash Time... :lol:
I have owned and shot bolt guns for years(To many) and have gotten used to the automatic working of the bolt thru recoil and muzzle jump to be ready to fire again when it's back down on target.I have played with the 45-70 with Buffalo Bore loads and can not work it "Quite" as fast as I can my Remington 700 and Ruger M-77.And Craig Boddington also has a 45-70 Levergun and I agree with his assessment on which is faster atleast for him and me and the Old Guy from Oregon..Can't remember his name now... :lol: :lol:
Have a good one..........Jayco.
Good points about muscle control with the bolt action, and recoil with any action.
I still think the firing position is critical. If you choose standing unsupported it's a horse race. With the most practiced operator winning. But go prone with the pump for example....?
Anyway, my favorite deer rifle is a Ruger No.1 in 45-70 with that old slow 405 grain thumper. So what do I know.
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
In my humble opinion, it will be the gun you shoot the most. Paco Kelly, a Lever man, says he can get off 2 rounds before a bolt man can rack in the second round. I'd hate to be at the other end of 100 yards, with my 300 wsm, trying to prove him wrong. ops: :lol:
Another question might be which is faster a single action Colt or a semi-auto pistol ? :twisted:
If I get the first shot off from my 300wm, I wont need a second. I was sighting in this week and that thing is a tack driver with Barnes 180xxx.Originally Posted by HowdyC
On the other hand my little Marlin .357 will crank out my hot rounds and get back on target qiuck. I got it for a truck gun that doesnt look like I'm starting a war, but with 10 rounds that little gun is a serious threat and cycles and shoots way faster than any bolt gun.
It's one thing to compare a .357 and a 300 Mag in cycling speed or back on target with a round in the chamber and something compltely different to compare a maxed out 45-70 with a 405 grain bullet with 42+ ft lbs of recoil in a Guide Gun..Way more that even the 300 Win Mag.Try a .338 or .375 for the same recoil and lets have a shoot off between the two big names.
Can Paco Kelly shoot two faster(With equal recoil) than Craig Boddington with equal recoiling guns?42+ ft pounds of recoil?
Love to watch it.....I'll put my money on Craig and his trusty .338 over Paco and an equally recoiling levergun..??Just a guess as there both good.
If you eliminate as many variables as possible other than the action type: same caliber, same scope/sights, identical length of pull and then try to find guns of similar weight and overall length you'd end up with some sort of bolt action carbine in say 30-30 or 45-70 and a rifle-length levergun (assume Marlin here - not a short-throw BLR).
That's a tough contest. I'd say that the lever is faster with the lower recoil and that the bolt action would be quicker with the heavy recoil. BestLever gave a great example, IMO. No doubt I am faster with my peep-sighted 39A than with my scoped Savage Mk II. But I might also be faster with my M77 scoped 30-06 than with my peep-sighted 1895.