.22LR full metal jacket

[MilPsych]

There is a handgun I first heard about from WW2 veterans. IT is called the High Standard HDM. It is a suppressed .22 handgun used in special operations.

I have never seen any of the .22LR full metal jacket ammo that was specially made for this gun.

Does anyone have a picture of one of these rounds that he / she could post?

Thank you!

Sincerely,

JDP
Team 35 # 88

[`57 Golden 39A Mountie]

Someone would finally ask this question and make me dig in the safe. These are as rare as hens teeth. Probably more rare than that if the truth be known.

`57

Here is the sealed box of Rem coded R21 in my collection that I had kind of lost in the ages since I got them. Been stashed in the safe for many years forgotten. Thanks for the memory jog DT.



EDITED:
Since so much NEW info has been posted below this posting of mostly Irrelevant info, I deleted it to cut out confusion.
Thanks to DT for doing a lot of digging on this and getting the FACTS straight.

`57
NOTE. I have just confirmed from new found info that this round is in fact original and is a M24

[.DIRTY-.THIRTY]

Heres an article on the pistol

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/OSSPistol.PDF

[MilPsych]

Hello 57,

Thank you so much for taking the time to put this on the net. If I tried to say more, words would fail me!

I thought that somewhere in Marlin owners there would be someone who could provide a picture!!
I have been looking and asking for years, since 1960, when I became interseted in guns and the military. Like you no info at gunshows and even the military armourers that I work with and shoot with had no clue.

The father of my oldest friend (both now gone) served in the Devil's Brigade. They were sent to Alaska, Kiska Island to be specific, in 1943 and they spent days combing the island's caves, holes, underground bunkers, etc. No enemy was ever found. Many of these soldiers were issued with the High Standard HDM.

The most salient story about these guns I heard was this. At the end of Operation Cottage, the issued handguns were gathered but most did not get turned in. Folks, like my friend's dad figured these would be absolutely great partridge and rabbit guns after the war and wanted to keep them. The threat that no Canadian Army member would leave Kiska until every last HDM was returned to the "Yanks" was needed to get them all returned to Supply.

I suspect that the ammo was real, FMJ. The stories about the penetration power of this ammo are legend. The Canadian made ammo was manufactured by the Dominion Arsenals, a Crown Corporation.
A Crown Corporation refers to ownership by the Dominion of Canada, or owned by taxpayers. Stocks of the product were destroyed after the war.

If the bullet in the photo has DA and a date on the base, i.e. DA 43, it comes from a factory in Pointe Aux Trembles, near Montréal.

I have placed a short description of Operation Cottage on Kiska below.

Thank you again.

Sincerely,

JDP Team 35 # 88

Kiska Island
Operation Cottage
On August 15, 1943, an invasion force of 34,426 Allied troops landed on Kiska. Castner's Cutthroats were part of the force, but the invasion force was made up of units primarily from the United States 7th Infantry Division. The invasion force also included about 5,300 Canadians. The Canadians primarily came from the 13th Canadian Infantry Brigade of the 6th Canadian Infantry Division. The Canadian forces also included the Canadian component of the First Special Service Force, also known as the "Devil's Brigade".

The invasion force landed only to find the island abandoned. Under the cover of fog, the Japanese, who decided that their position in Kiska was vulnerable after the fall of Attu, had successfully removed their troops on July 28 without the Allies noticing. The Army Air Force had been bombing abandoned positions for almost three weeks. On the day before the withdrawal, vessels of the United States Navy fought the inconclusive and possibly meaningless Battle of the Pips 80 miles to the west.

Even though the Japanese were gone before the invasion of Kiska was launched, Allied casualties during the operation nevertheless numbered 313. All of these casualties were the result of friendly fire, booby traps set out by the Japanese, disease, or frostbite. As was the case with Attu, Kiska offered an extremely hostile environment

[`57 Golden 39A Mountie]

One of our regular posters here has more info he is going to post shortly. Lots of clear cut info direct from the RECORDS. Be prepared for an education.

Go for it DT.
`57

[.DIRTY-.THIRTY]

Link to M24 cartridge

http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic...hilit=22lr+fmj

[`57 Golden 39A Mountie]

DT,
I must say that this should surely satisfy a lot of people that have never seen or heard of this cartridge before.
There has been tons of questions and duscussions and little info to really go on that was more than heresay.
Thanks for looking this up and sharing. I know that it helped me in more than one way. I looked in my inventory and came up with a BOX of them still sealed. Been put away for so many years that I had completely forgot about them until I saw the photo of the Rem box. in the info you sent me. I`ll put the Rem box photo in my reply up top.
Thanks again.
`57

[.DIRTY-.THIRTY]

Also note '57 in the link discussing the pistol, that it gave info saying that by Feb 8th 1945, 20,000 rounds of T-42 (M24 prototype) were made. It probably wasn't much later than this that it was issued as M24 and dropped all together. It all appears to have been handled by Rem/UMC?? Will do some more reading over the weekend. Lots of usage of the .22lr by militarys around the world, around that time, would be quite a study into finding out who used what and from where did they get it.

After reading through it again, the FMJ .22 was started in July 1944 and was issued from Febuary 1945 on.... Somewhere there is some Remington paperwork for those contracts, I'm surprised someone over on the IAA don't have those papers. Or have saw 'em.

'57 can you add a speculative price as to the value of a single cartridge, or an entire box of these? (T-42 M24)

[.DIRTY-.THIRTY]

Here is what I would believe to be a later contract, anyone that knows how to figure out Winchesters product codes and dating. .22 handguns are also supposed to been issued in Veitnam and as the case must shoot only FMJ ammo

http://www.ammo-one.com/22Box-WinMil...nWhiteBox.html

[.DIRTY-.THIRTY]

Heres a new spin on .22lr FMJ, by the way my name over on the IAA is FullMetalJacket

Click on the picture, hold down your CTRL key and scroll into it to 120% for clear reading on my screen, might not be the case on you guys screens.

This is for the guys with only .22's to feel tactical and cool .DT