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    Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    So, setting aside the fact that the Winchester 1886 reproduction is probably made in Japan, how does the Winchester 1886 stack up against the Marlin 1895 45/70 ?

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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    I believe you are correct that the 86's are made in Japan. Last I knew, you could get at least two 1895 Marlins for the price of one 1886 Winchester. I don't believe the Winchesters are twice Years ago, I was into S&W revolvers, especially nickel plated ones. About the time I was ready to get a model 57 41Mag(1980), the price skyrocketed. I could get two Ruger Blackhawks for the price of one S&W. Been shooting Blackhawks ever since. Think I'd go for the Marlin.

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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    I believe the 1886 is a stronger action than a marlin 1895. That being said, the 1895 marlin is plenty strong! Also you can mount a scope on the marlin easy'r than the win.

    Now what I would like to do is get a mag tube hanger frm the 86 and mount it on the marlin 1895 with a full length mag tube....... I think that would look great.


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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    The new Winchester 86 also has the tang safety and rebounding hammer just more BS to break and go wrong a friend of mine bought one and I was really not impressed with it compared to the marlin. If your going to spend the money on a import Winchester 86 might as well shop around and find an original 1886. Around hear I see original 86 for about the same price of the new Japan made 86.

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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    I think that it depends a little bit on what you're gonna use it for. The marlin is one heck of a gun because it's strong and smallish. The 1886 is one heck of a gun because it's a little stronger and biggish. I at one time had a Browning Mod 71 in .348 win. It was a awesome gun but not one I'd want to carry around very much. For what it's worth they say they didn't quit making 71s in .348, they quit making men that would shoot em.
    So more to your question, I think it's a size and looks thing.
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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    So the Winnie is stronger in terms of how much pressure it will handle. Anyone know exactly how much stronger in PSI or CUP? Will the winnie handle the pressure that a Ruger #1 or a Siamese Mauser will? If no dtthen I'd rather have the Marlin and put all that extra cash into ammo, sights, etc than "strength" that I can't really use.

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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    For what it's worth, I have an 1886 and three 1895 Marlin's. My '86 is a fine rifle but not twice as good as an 1895.
    Things I dislike about the new '86 are: the tang safety, the weight, the crescent buttplate, and most of all the rebounding hammer. The '86 does a lot more sitting in the safe than the Marlin's ever did.
    For some reason the rifle I like the best is still the plane Jane ol' 1895SS that I've had since the 1980's. It just fits me well and shoots every load I ever put through it pretty good. It's the least finicky rifle I ever reloaded for (of any action).
    One other thing I have to say is that when the chips are down in grizzly country I like my Marlins. They have been absolutely reliable. My '86 has had a few misfires with what looked like light primer strikes as the culprit. Not what I wanted in my hands when I'm in a bind.

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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Goat Keeper
    So the Winnie is stronger in terms of how much pressure it will handle. Anyone know exactly how much stronger in PSI or CUP? Will the winnie handle the pressure that a Ruger #1 or a Siamese Mauser will? If no dtthen I'd rather have the Marlin and put all that extra cash into ammo, sights, etc than "strength" that I can't really use.

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    Here is a Paco article I found that talks about the "4 levels" of strength in leverguns. He talks about Marlin 1895 in level 3 loaded max 40kpsi and the 86 Win he puts in level 4 at 50kpsi. For what its worth, here is the article link..
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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    All good replies and difficult to disagree with very much - so I'll refrain.

    I've never even fired an 1895 Marlin of any vintage, but I have handled one. Nifty was a good word for it at the time.

    I do own an origiinal 86 Winchester circa 1887 40-82WCF and I guess I wish I could drive it to the pressure of the 1895Marlin. Paco's 50Kpsi on the '86 Win is for the "smokeless era" 86's of which mine is not. Somewhere out there it is written that the '86 Win was used to proof the 30WCF cartridge, so they took most likely a black powder era rifle, chambered it for 30wcf and proceeded to pour in the powder until the 86Win blew up. Wish I could remember where I read this. It was some kind of load, and very interesting article. Maybe it's in the Paco writings. I may have to review those, again. Anyone really know anything about this?

    I do know the Marlin is way handier than my 86 and my 86 has a 20" barrel, but it's about like swinging a broom. That full octagon and full mag tube are heavy, even at 20"! I haven't had a Marlin yet that didn't swing like a fine shotgun, but then mine are all straight stocked and short barreled. The best of the best.....

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    Re: Marlin 1895 VS Winchester 1886 45/70 reproduction.

    I have a Browning 1886 saddle ring carbine. Straight grip. 22 barrel. No rebounding hammer or safety. Pretty faithful to the origionals. This thing is a beast. I would not want to carry it all day. I also have a Marlin guide gun that I do hunt with and have carried all day. Much nicer then the 86, Better sight options also. It may not be as strong but I havn't approached the top loads in my Marlin so I don't think I'd ever approach the top in the 86.
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