Need more front sight help

[killswitharrows]

I'm trying to get a new front ramp and post style sight.

What came on the gun I can only figure was factory. I was a gold bead style front sight. But when I used that with my hand loads it shot too low. So low the buck horn was topped out and the sights were pretty useless.

I then purchased a Millet front blade (.400") and a Williams rear peep sight. That set up had the perfect sight picture but again it was still shooting low.

I ground the front sight down and it was much better but I want something a little more professional than my grinding wheel job.

The front sight is hard to measure but it's currently about .35" from the top of the barrel. My Williams peep is almost topped out.

What am I doing wrong? This is too simple to be this difficult. And please don't suggest the XS Ghost Sight System. I just don't like that high profile rig.

I want to keep the Williams peep on the back. Oh I might add this is on my Marlin 444P.

Help pleeeeeease.

[cariboo_kid]

It sounds like your handloads must be quite low velocity.

The fellow who makes the Skinner sights makes front sights for his customers to whatever height they want, maybe he can help you out?

[killswitharrows]

I don't think its that. I was using 39-44 grs of IMR 4198 and pushing a 300 grs Hornady HP-XTP just fine.

Lord knows my shoulder didn't think it was too slow!

[cariboo_kid]

I don't think its that. I was using 39-44 grs of IMR 4198 and pushing a 300 grs Hornady HP-XTP just fine.

Lord knows my shoulder didn't think it was too slow!

:lol: It's hard to fool the shoulder isn't it? :lol:

I've never used that load so I can't comment on how my 444P factory sights would work with it.

William's offer their peep sights as a set with a front sight. Perhaps give them a call and see what height they ship with it? You could either order one from them if you like the fiber optic idea, or get someone else to make one in a similar height.

[Starrbow]

Speer #13 manual shows a max load of 43.0grains of IMR_4198 running 2041fps with a 24" barrel, with your short barrel you will lose at a minimum 25fps per inch, thats 1904fps from the 444P.

MidwayUSA has Williams blued front sights for $9.99, in heights that you need .290/.312 in either a gold 1/16" bead or a 3/32" bead they also list 3/32" Fiber optic in red in the same heights, If it was me I'd go with the .290 high front sight part number for the 1/16 bead .290 in .340 wide is 377-057 that will get you in the ballpark at their web sight.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=377057
.................................................. .............................................Marko

[VTDW]

You can also have a machinist scale and rifle handy while you call Williams. They will sent you the correct Williams sight even though you seem to want a Marlin front sight. They will also make you up a hi-viz green front (my preference) at no extra cost.

Dave

[Tomray]

I'm trying to get a new front ramp and post style sight.

What came on the gun I can only figure was factory. I was a gold bead style front sight. But when I used that with my hand loads it shot too low. So low the buck horn was topped out and the sights were pretty useless.

I then purchased a Millet front blade (.400") and a Williams rear peep sight. That set up had the perfect sight picture but again it was still shooting low.

I ground the front sight down and it was much better but I want something a little more professional than my grinding wheel job.

The front sight is hard to measure but it's currently about .35" from the top of the barrel. My Williams peep is almost topped out.

What am I doing wrong? This is too simple to be this difficult. And please don't suggest the XS Ghost Sight System. I just don't like that high profile rig.

I want to keep the Williams peep on the back. Oh I might add this is on my Marlin 444P.

Help pleeeeeease.

KWA,
What model rifle are you having these problems with?......

Tomray
NRA LIFE

[killswitharrows]

Oh I might add this is on my Marlin 444P.

I got this great idea from the Bear Tooth Bullet article posted on the "Useful 444 Marlin Links" post.

In that article the aurthor states he uses the factory front sight with the Williams peep. But that was on a SS Model. On his 444P he used the XS Ghost ring I believe.

[whapmaster]

Have had similar problems in the past - except I ran out of adjustment and was still shooting 6 inches high at 50.

To determine what size/height front sight you need - measure the distance between the front and rear site (sight radius) multiply by the sighting error in inches - then divide by the distance to the target in inches.

For example - if your sight radius is 25 inches - point of impact is 3 inches low at 50 yards (1800 inches) the calculation would be 25x3=75. 75/1800=.04. Measure your existing front sight height and subtract the .04 to raise the point of impact.

Hope this helps...

[swany]

Loosen the screw attaching your tube mag to the bbl, and see if it raises up if it does. Make a small plastic washer and place it between the tube mag and the attaching dovetail. If not consider having your bbl crown recut.