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    More great comments.

    Setback on calibers OTHER THAN 30-30 may be an issue. I also have seen it. Do not know what kind of interference fit those straight wall cases actually have. Normally the bullets are heavy. That means high inertia. Also those bullets are little "stubs". That means they have shorter contact area with the case.

    All those factors come to me. Have no clue on what they are but have seen setback or "pullout" on some straight-walled calibers under some conditions. Have never seen it with cartridges like the 30-30. My guess is the 32 Special and 35 Remington in 336's would be the same. Never tested them. Only tested the 30-30.
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    Great article and I might try not crimping for my 30-30 hand load LE. the next time at the range. I usually don't crimp rounds that I'm using for target shooting because I breech load at the range. I'll full the tube up and fire and check the C.O.L. on the next round in line just out of curiosity. Thanks for your troubles.

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    I had a Winchester power chock for my 30-30 set dramatically. About 3mm from just being in the tube. Granted they where in there for about week. I guess these stuff happens.. Don't dare to shoot those set bullets though..

    Edit: I mean power max not power chock..

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    I know this is an older thread but I have had 30/30 and 444 factory ammo set back simply from magazine pressure. My buddy had the same thing happen with his 30/30. After noticing it, I took a few rounds from the box and turned them upside down on my reloading bench and pushed. It didn't take a whole lot of pressure to make the cannelure completely disappear. This was Remington, Federal and a few Winchester rounds. The 444 was Remington.

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    Had To Test Bullet Seating Pressure - 30-30

    Strange that the factory ammo would have such low neck tension. I have no explanation for that except something, like case neck-wall thickness, factory sizing, bullet size (doubtful) or is out. I would NOT push a loaded round onto a scale, as seen above in this link, to check. When I did this they were empty cases just carefully measured for wall thickness and sizing so I knew the interference measures.
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    I found it a little scary. I can't figure it out either. I'm a fan of traditional flat-nosed bullets, but the LE's are interesting. Thank you for your article.

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    This may be of interest to some...I found this somewheres on this forum awhile back. Decided to check and see just how close it really was. The round is a factory 170gr jacketed FP. Gun is a "64" Marlin w/20" barrel wearing a 4X Leupold.
    50yds = +1 1/4"
    100yds = +2 3/4"
    150yds = +2"
    200yds = -2 1/2"
    250yds = -10"
    Results: My findings were nearly identical as to what was posted. (within +/- 1/4" or so)

    Now, I'll probably never shoot it past 150yds while hunting, but its good to know where that bullet will hit beyond that distance.
    I did make a "cheat sheet" and taped it to the stock for future referance.
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    A great read ,glad you wrote this love it

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    FWIW....I equipped my used 30-30 with a burris 2-7 ballistic plex. It's a perfect scope being a exceptionally clear 2-7x but has the added advantage of the ballistic hashmarks on the upright reticle. I found my gun really really liked the 150 grain 30-30 ballistic tip by nosler. It shoots them as well as a 5 shot 100 yds group of .77". Hogdons load of 34.0 H4895 has them doing 2350 over my chrono. I used the following chart to zero the gun 1.5" high. The hashmarks are as follows:
    First hashmark 1.5MOA
    2nd 4.29moa
    3rd 7.2moa
    top of post is 10.2moa

    So you go to the chart and check the 2nd to the last column and find that you are point blank range all the way to 175yds.
    using the first hashmark will have you -1" at 200yds
    Using the 2nd will have you dead on at 250 yds.
    Using the 3rd will have you about 1.4" high at 300 yds.
    The day I shot my good group at 100 yds I put the 3rd hashmark on the 10" 300 yd gong and went 2 for 2.
    Unfortunately someone showed up to shoot and I didn't want to slow him down by walking all the way to 300 to see how centered the hits were.
    So, gotta head back and do some paper shooting and see how it works out.








    Code:
    Tabular trajectory data at Non-Std. Atmosphere
     Gunsite altitude : 1400 ft.
     Air density      : 0.077661 lb./ft³
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     Gun / Ammunition : Browning Bar, .308 Win.
     Bullet           : .308, 150, CT BalSilTip 51150
     Bullet weight    : 150 grains or 9.72 Grams
     Muzzle velocity  : 2350 fps
     Crosswind speed  : 1 Mph 
     Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1): 
     C1=0.248@V>0 fps;
    
     Optimum trajectory information : 
     Optimum sight-in range (X) = 152 Yds. 
     with max. ordinate above LOS at range (M)= 91 Yds.
     and max. point blank range (P)= 174 Yds.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Sight-in clicks, 1 click = 0.635 cm/100 yd. or 0.25 in/100 yd.
     Height of sight above bore axis = 3.81 cm or 1.50 inch
     Gun is zeroed-in at 150 yds,
     by sighting-in at level firing
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Range  Velo Time of  Energy   Path    Deflection    Total  Sight correction  Target
            city  flight            to    at crosswind    drop   for setting new   lead
                                    LOS    of 1.0 Mph             zero range     33 fps
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ·Yards   fps     s    ft.lbs.   in.    in.     MOA     in.   Clicks     MOA     yds ·
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    |    0  2350  0.0000   1839    -1.5    0.0   -----     0.0   ------    -----    0.00
    |   10  2316  0.0129   1786    -0.9    0.0    0.02     0.0    +35.4    +8.44    0.14
    |   20  2282  0.0260   1735    -0.3    0.0    0.04     0.1     +6.7    +1.59    0.28
    |   30  2249  0.0393   1684    +0.1    0.0    0.06     0.3     -2.0    -0.48    0.43
    |   40  2215  0.0528   1635    +0.6    0.0    0.07     0.5     -5.6    -1.35    0.58
    |   50  2183  0.0665   1586    +0.9    0.0    0.09     0.8     -7.2    -1.73    0.73
    |   60  2150  0.0804   1539    +1.2    0.1    0.11     1.2     -7.8    -1.87    0.88
    |   70  2117  0.0945   1493    +1.4    0.1    0.12     1.7     -7.8    -1.87    1.03
    |   80  2085  0.1088   1448    +1.5    0.1    0.14     2.2     -7.4    -1.77    1.19
    M   90  2053  0.1232   1404    +1.5    0.1    0.16     2.8     -6.8    -1.62    1.35
    |  100  2022  0.1379   1361    +1.5    0.2    0.17     3.5     -5.9    -1.42    1.51
    |  110  1990  0.1527   1319    +1.4    0.2    0.19     4.3     -5.0    -1.18    1.67
    |  120  1959  0.1676   1279    +1.2    0.3    0.20     5.1     -3.9    -0.93    1.83
    |  130  1928  0.1827   1238    +0.9    0.3    0.22     6.0     -2.7    -0.65    2.00
    |  140  1898  0.1983   1199    +0.5    0.3    0.24     7.1     -1.4    -0.34    2.17
    X  150  1867  0.2142   1161     0.0    0.4    0.26     8.2      0.0     0.00    2.34
    |  160  1838  0.2305   1125    -0.6    0.5    0.28     9.5     +1.5    +0.36    2.52
    |  170  1808  0.2471   1089    -1.3    0.5    0.30    10.8     +3.1    +0.73    2.70
    P  173  1800  0.2521   1078    -1.5    0.6    0.31    11.2     +3.6    +0.85    2.76
    |  180  1779  0.2640   1054    -2.1    0.6    0.32    12.3     +4.7    +1.13    2.89
    |  190  1751  0.2812   1021    -3.1    0.7    0.35    13.9     +6.4    +1.54    3.08
    |  200  1722  0.2987    988    -4.1    0.8    0.37    15.6     +8.2    +1.96    3.27
    |  210  1695  0.3165    956    -5.3    0.9    0.39    17.4    +10.1    +2.40    3.46
    |  220  1667  0.3345    925    -6.6    1.0    0.41    19.3    +12.0    +2.85    3.66
    |  230  1640  0.3528    896    -8.0    1.1    0.44    21.4    +13.9    +3.32    3.86
    |  240  1613  0.3714    866    -9.5    1.2    0.46    23.6    +15.9    +3.79    4.06
    |  250  1586  0.3902    838   -11.2    1.3    0.48    25.9    +17.9    +4.28    4.27
    |  260  1560  0.4093    810   -13.0    1.4    0.51    28.3    +20.0    +4.77    4.48
    |  270  1534  0.4286    784   -14.9    1.5    0.53    30.9    +22.1    +5.28    4.69
    |  280  1508  0.4481    758   -17.0    1.6    0.55    33.6    +24.3    +5.79    4.90
    |  290  1484  0.4678    733   -19.2    1.7    0.57    36.5    +26.5    +6.31    5.12
    |  300  1459  0.4879    709   -21.5    1.9    0.59    39.5    +28.7    +6.85    5.34
    |  310  1434  0.5086    685   -24.1    2.0    0.62    42.7    +31.1    +7.42    5.56
    |  320  1411  0.5297    663   -26.8    2.2    0.64    46.0    +33.5    +8.00    5.79
    |  330  1388  0.5512    642   -29.7    2.3    0.67    49.6    +36.0    +8.60    6.03
    |  340  1366  0.5731    621   -32.9    2.5    0.69    53.4    +38.7    +9.23    6.27
    |  350  1344  0.5954    602   -36.2    2.6    0.72    57.3    +41.3    +9.87    6.51
    |  360  1323  0.6180    583   -39.7    2.8    0.75    61.5    +44.1   +10.52    6.76
    |  370  1302  0.6409    564   -43.4    3.0    0.77    65.8    +46.9   +11.19    7.01
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    M = Peak vs. L.O.S, X = Set Zero, P = Max. Point Blank Range
    Elevation above Angle of Site (0.0 deg.)  = 0.1031 deg.
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    Yep, right tool for the job...Lever action effective from 0 - 150yrds max, IMO. If I know that my prey is 150yrds Plus, I have a bolt action 300 Win Mag to do the job. Berger 210gr hunting VLD, Winchester case, R22 powder, a Remington 9 1/2 primer, and a velocity of 2450fps that hits like a ton of bricks. I know it hits bricks hard, last week end I took out the rifle and hit two solid 6"X6" concreat titles stacked behind each other at 300yards. Turned them to dust and fragments.


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