Amen to that!!!Originally Posted by Cascade Jinx
All Of The Big Guns Are In The Navy!
Just caught up on this thread... and yes we have to hold all firearms upside down here in NZ, thats when we are not holding onto something to stop falling off the face of the earth.
Regarding 30-30 vs 30-06, the latter is clearly a better all round performer at over 200 'yeters'. My initial comment was questioning the logic of buying a 30-06 (or similar) if all your shooting was going to be within 100 yards.
The majority of my deer hunting would present shots within 50 yards, so I'm looking for the cheapest ammo and least meat damage. I really have no need to create windows in the sides of deer at $3 a pop. The 30-30 fits the bill nicely.
earplay I agree with you on the 30 30 being an adequate deer cartridge within the distance you described and out to 200 yards. In my understanding the 30 06 was designed of the military for the extra distance over the 30-40 Krag. No you don't need a 06 for the close up deer hunt in it's full capacity. But for the one rifle owner who uses his/her rifle from chuck to moose a 06 is a very handy cartridge. As a hand loader I can load to match the level of the 30 30 with a 150 gr. bullet at 2400fps. for deer hunting or 250 gr. bullet at 2281 for moose. For those long shots at antelope a 165 gr bullet at 2892 fps. is just right. You don't have to be a hand loader to take advantage of the versatility of the 06 these cartridges are available in good sporting goods shores not in Walmart. Walmart does sell for cheap 06 cartridges. I have bought 06 cartridges from $7. a box and up.
Just my two cents.
My Avatar is my brother John who left me to soon. He was 10 Y/O 1 month older than me. He took me off the Streets of Brooklyn taught me how to handle a rifle and to hunt. For his attention I would always be grateful. Rest in Peace Brother John.
Noted lots of folks get all how over a 44M pistol, but when you compare to 30/30 that hits harder, they say "never hunt with it as not powerful enough" Seems most now days are all about the newest and fastest stuff, which the mfg must bring out to sell more guns, but 06.270, 308, 30/30 and such, still do the job very well. Most forget it is the object behind the gun that determines how well the gun "works" not other way around.
What is amazing is most are so concerned about "hit at 200 yards gun" when most states data shows "hits" are at 60 yards or less, when shot fired, but at 200 or more when tale told?Originally Posted by tubaguy
Tubaguy - I think you went a little far with giving up the 20 year old nymphomaniac - though it would be a tough call . And the Harley? That's just plain crazy.
Click on this link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT92PEgnIb0 (hopefully it works) or go to Youtube and search WhitSpurzon, and hit Marlin 336, 30-30 at 500 yards. The 30-30 wold get all kinds of respect if only the whole world would watch this.
There's another video by good old Larry Potterfield from Midway USA that discusses the 336 for personal defense. It's pretty cool.
"Good Judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." Team .45/70 #415
You may have the fancy Craftsman Professional Set, with the tiny (small bore) to the (big bore) giant, pry bar flat head type screwdriver mounted above your workbench, but most of the time you’ll be grabbing that “six-way” out of the kitchen drawer.
The 30-30 is that six-way.
Look at a wolf, look at a deer, look at a human, look at a black bear. The 30-30 was designed to be the most efficient caliber to down any of them within the range you would most commonly encounter such creatures.
I've owned several .30/30 caliber rifles over the years. Been told many things about this rifle cartridge. "Too small" , "Not fast enough", "Out dated". " Excellent woods round" "Perfect for deer or bear" "Classic Lever Gun ".
From what I've read and experienced the .30/30 has always been a controversial cartridge.
As for me where I live and what I hunt, not to mention how I hunt, the .30/30 works.
I am very happy with my Marlin 36 RC. It does exactly what a rifle should do, shoot well for it's intended purpose.
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A Big +1I am very happy with my Marlin 36 RC. It does exactly what a rifle should do, shoot well for it's intended purpose.
si vis pacem, para bellumTeam 444 #269
Auxilium meum a Domino
"My Aid Comes From The Master"
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Team 30-30 #374
Team 1894 #274
"a Smith & Wesson beats Four Aces"
A sometimes monthly follow up to this thread keeps me sane.
444Hal hit the bullseye with his perspective and analogy to the six-way driver.
The .30-30 just works.
Grab it, aim it, shoot it.
Put the bullet where it belongs, and it will serve you well.
While I prefer cast bullets and home rolled cartridges, store bought varieties are not constraints.
Salvaging old Marlins is not a past time ... It's a passion.
Mostly 1893 through 1959 Marlin levers, short carbines to long rifles.
Most models and variations in calibers
30/30, .308, .32, .35, .357, .45 Colt, 45/70 (a few)...
Cast and reload for 'em all, hunt year round.