Large game (CXP3)
Large, non-dangerous game that averages 301-1,000 pounds in live weight. These include animals like Alg, elk, muskox, moose, hartebeest, wildebeest, waterbuck, eland, nilgai, zebra, kudu and similar size animals worldwide. Controlled expansion (premium) bullets are often a good choice for these large animals.
The Winchester 150 gr Supreme Ballistic Silvertip 30-30 with the same ballistics as regular 150gr power points is listed as a CXP-3 so I see no problem with the 160gr Lever-E making the grade.
The Lever-E (TO ME) more puts the 30-30 into a CPX-3 catagory instead of qualifying as a better deer killer. Its a better deer killer only in the aspect of increased ballistics. The 30-30 is the caliber that achieved the highest ballistic increase due to the Lever-E boat-tail.
"Lever-E, giving the 30-30 a CXP-3"
I know Lever-E will drop an Elk, black bear, or a big hog, like a sack of rocks and a moose head or neck is large enough for an easy kill shot.
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I wouldnt hesitate to use a 30-30 on moose, elk, or black bear if that was the only rifle I had. Now if I had a more powerful rifle to take than I would take the more powerful round but the 30-30 will do the trick as long as you keep the ranges short and put the shot were it needs to be. I know there are a few pictures floating around here of moose and elk shot with a 30-30.
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there was a time, long, long ago, a .30 caliber cartridge loaded with 30 grains of powder came along that excited just about everyone that owned (or didn't) a firearm. Back in that day, the cartridge was used on everything that walked on the North American continent, two and four legged.
These days, it seems it has to fight for what little reputation it can get (odd that the cartridges still seem to fly off the shelves)
No one ever seems to have a problem with a guy shooting a moose or elk with a pointy stick fired from a tight string traveling at 300fps, but a 170grainer out of a 30-30 at 2000fps+ is weak.
BTW, I've been going up to our family property in Canada every year of my life. I've known generations of moose hunters up there; family friends all of them. Some use large powerful calibers, and more than a couple I know still hunt with a Win94 or 336. Funny thing, their freezers are always full of moose meat.
The stopping power of whatever cartridge has been quantified by the noted hunter and writer John "Pondoro" Taylor. It's a function of bullet diameter, bullet weight and impact velocity, and is known as the Taylor Knockout Value.Originally Posted by six_gunz
So why is the .375 H&H magnum a better choice than the .30-30 Winchester as a stopper of heavy game?
Just calculate the TKO value for each and compare -
.30-30 Win. = 170gr x 1600 fps x .308 / 7000 = 12.0
.375 H&H mag. = 270gr x 2600 fps x .375 / 7000 = 37.6
It provides some idea of stopping power on a comparative basis.
It is all about shot placement...but I definitely wouldn't go after a bear with a 30-30... You'd be nuts.
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Depends on the bear. I'd hunt blackies all day long & feel fine with a thirty thirty. I'd shoot a moose with one too if its what I had. I'd probably use my 45/70 but they dont seem hard to kill.
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This is fun. A debate that can go on endlessly with no concrete resolution other than the very beliefs we came into the discussion with. Case in point, John "Pondoro" Taylor gives us his Taylor Knockout numbers, which, truth be told, have been cussed and discussed and compared to other systems of rating the effectiveness of calibers. On the other hand we have the life experience of Walter Dalrymple Maitland "Karamojo" Bell who killed over one thousand elephants with the 7x57 Mauser [275 Rigby], 303 British and the 318 Westley Richards. So, which is more relevant to the effectiveness of the 30-30 on large game? As much as I believe the 30-30 is capable of larger than deer size game, I would opt for more power if the hunt was for bear, elk etc. But then I just might be out there with a handgun too.
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Ive bein a bowhunter for 13 years now and let me tell you, I would chose my 30 30 over a bow when it comes to big came. Sure there are bigger and badder calibers but after slinging arrows for so long I really think a 150 grain shot in the vitals would stop anything. Whats more solid a big thick shield on a 300 pound bore or a shoulder on a moose??
If you have the confidence, the ability, and the know how, I could see it being a good choice. Most of us aren't willing to develop the skill needed to do things like this now. I wonder what W.D.M. Bell would think. http://www.chuckhawks.com/bell_elephants.htm
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