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    7mm Shooting Times East.

    http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammun...7mmste_200808/

    Wonder if Marlin will Try this on the 308 Marlin Express Case?

    Sounds like a winner With a FTX Bullet.

    The 7mm STE
    While it never gained popularity, this cartridge may be the best ever for whitetail hunting with a lever gun.
    By Layne Simpson

    Down through the decades, a number of wildcat cartridges have been created for lever-action rifles, and many have been around for a long time. Fred Wade came up with the .30 Lever Power and .35 Lever Power--formed from shortened .30-40 Krag cases--for the Winchester 94 and Marlin 336 rifles in the 1950s. Also on the .30-40 Krag case--and of about the same vintage--was the .44 Van Houten Super, which no doubt inspired the introduction of its performance twin in 1964: the .444 Marlin.

    One of the more famous lever-action wildcats is the .450 Alaskan. Developed specifically for the Winchester Model 71 by gunsmith Harold Johnson, it is based on the .348 Winchester case and was once popular among brown bear guides. Today, the .450 Marlin cartridge provides similar performance.

    My contribution to the lever-action wildcat story is the 7mm Shooting Times Easterner, which is based on the .307 Winchester case. Not long after Winchester introduced the .307 in 1982, it dawned of me that it begged to be necked on down to 7mm, but I put the idea on the back burner due to a lack of flat-nosed 7mm bullets--which of course are necessary for safe use in the tubular magazines of Winchester 94 and Marlin 336 rifles.

    Later, my interest in the project was renewed by the introduction of a Nosler 120-grain 7mm flatnose bullet, and when Hornady introduced a 139-grain flat-nose I decided to go ahead with it. Icing was added to the cake with the later introduction of a 130-grain flatnose by Speer.

    In 1987 I had Harry McGowen rebarrel a Marlin 336 with a 22-inch, straight-taper barrel with a muzzle diameter of .640 inch and a rifling twist rate of 1:10. The barrel was chambered for the .307 Winchester case, necked down to 7mm.

    Initially I experienced sticky case extraction long before reaching the velocities I had anticipated, so I opened up the chamber with a reamer I had developed for another wildcat that had minimum body taper and a 40-degree shoulder angle. Problem solved.

    By simply changing the shape of the case I was able to increase velocity by 300 fps before experiencing sticky extraction. To be on the safe side, I then dropped back 100 fps below that level of pressure, arriving at maximum velocities of 2,900 fps for the 120-grain bullet and 2,700 fps for the 139-grain bullet.

    As a way of standardizing chamber dimensions for the 7mm STE I sent formed cases to JGS Precision Tool Manufactring (541-267-4331) and had them grind chamber reamers for it. I also sent fired cases to RCBS and Redding for reloading dies.

    The case is formed by necking down the .307 Winchester case and then using a reduced load--I usually use 40.0 grains of H414 behind the 120- or 139-grain bullet--to fire-form it to a 7mm STE chamber.

    Once a batch of cases has been fire-formed, it is ready for full-power loads. Powders of medium-slow burn rate are the best choices, namely Reloder 19, IMR-4350, H4350, H414 and W760. Although I have not tried them in this cartridge, other powders with similar burn rates such as Accurate 4350, VihtaVuori N550 and Norma 204 should also be excellent choices.

    Due to the necessity of loading flat-nose bullets in tubular magazines, bullet options for the 7mm STE have always been rather limited, and the latest news is not exactly bright. The Nosler 120-grain flat-nose bullet is no longer offered to handloaders, and while Hornady still has 139-grain bullets in stock, no more will be made once the supply is exhausted.

    7MM STE HANDLOADS

    BULLET BULLET WEIGHT (gr.) POWDER CHARGE WEIGHT (gr.) NUZZLE VELOCITY (fps)

    Nosler FN 120 RL-19 50.0 2,807

    Nosler FN 120 IMR-4350 48.0 2,894

    Nosler FN 120 W760 47.0 2,910

    Nosler FN 120 H414 47.0 2,916

    Nosler FN 120 H4350 49.0 2,873

    Speer FN 130 RL-22 51.0 2,752

    Speer FN 130 RL-19 49.0 2,833

    Speer FN 130 IMR-4350 47.0 2,761

    Speer FN 130 RL-19 49.0 2,833

    Speer FN 130 IMR-4350 47.0 2,761

    Speer FN 130 H414 46.0 2,810

    Hornady FN 139 IMR-4350 46.5 2,704

    Hornady FN 139 W760 45.0 2,677

    Hornady FN 139 H414 46.5 2,704

    WARNING:All powder charges are maximum and should be reduced by 10 percent for starting loads. Cases formed from .307 Winchester brass; Winchester WLR primers were used. Velocities shown are averages of five or more rounds clocked 12 feet from the muzzle of a 22-inch barrel.

    That leaves the Speer 130-grain flat-nose as the only sure option. Luckily, it's plenty accurate in my rifle. It's also heavy enough to use on any game for which the 7mm STE is suited. Word to the wise here: If you own a rifle in 7mm STE, it would be smart to stock up on bullets while you can.

    The 7mm STE is no slouch out to 300 yards or so. When zeroed three inches high at 100 yards it drops about seven inches low at 300, where it delivers between 800 and 950 ft.-lbs. of energy, depending on bullet weight.

    It's funny how some things sometimes work out. While I had eastern whitetail hunting in mind when designing the 7mm STE, the first game I took with it was a mule deer at 260 yards.
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    Re: 7mm Shooting Times East.

    The problem, as I see it, is that it is a pain to make and doesn't really offer much performance gain over other cartridges. At woods ranges, a 120 gr bullet is going to be hard on the eating parts if it's soft enough to expand at 300 yards. Recent ammo developments have sealed its fate as shown by the .30-30 numbers below. Aside from a couple of inches drop at 300 yards, it exceeds the 7mm STE is every regard and at 2400 fps muzzle velocity, it won't blow a doe to shreds at 30 yards.


    30-30 Win 160 gr FTX® LEVERevolution®
    Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
    Muzzle 100 200 300
    2400/2046 2150/1643 1916/1304 1699/1025

    Trajectory (inches)
    Muzzle 100 200 300
    -1.70 3.00 0.20 -12.10
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    Re: 7mm Shooting Times East.

    Yeah- but it lacks the cool factor..... CL
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    Re: 7mm Shooting Times East.

    No doubt it would be fun. If it was factory chambered it might even have a chance of catching on. And, you need some other bullet choices. Who knows, maybe Marlin will try to scratch the 7mm itch with a factory chambering. If you have the time, money and know-how it's all good. I have none of the above and I reload a little.
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    Re: 7mm Shooting Times East.

    I for one love the 7's. I would have to try whatever one they brought out, don't know why they didn't do the 7-30 Waters, it's a great little cartridge. Right now I have 9 7mm's and have room for another. DP
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    7mm STE

    Although most talk here is in reference to leverguns, this cartridge would be the cat's meow in a Handi rifle where pointy bullets can be used. With the numbers listed above, I can see it being a 400yd gun without much trouble.


    Thanks, Dinny

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    ^^^^^^^

    It's called the 7-08

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster360mag View Post
    ^^^^^^^

    It's called the 7-08

    John
    Ahh, but the improved version for the STE. DP
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpe.ahoy View Post
    Ahh, but the improved version for the STE. DP
    7-08 has superformance, light mag & HE ammo.

    Not a dimes worth of difference really in the handy rifle except for the factory ammo option.

    John

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    Pretty sure it would be a performer using a 120 gn or 140 gn pointed bullet and one in the chamber one in the tube.
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