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    Reloading manual help

    Still undecided as to whether or not I'm going to reload for my 38-55/375 rebore, but I picked up a Lee manual to read and look at some load data. Only problem is the book has almost no data for the 38-55 or 375. Which manual have you guys found to have the most options? I'm figuring i should have at least two but I also don't want two that just have the same data...I know reloader 7 is popular for the caliber but this book has no loads for it, so I would prefer a book that had re7 in it.
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    Lyman 50

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    All the powder companies have data online. But there's not a lot of info for what you are looking for. I got a lot of my info right here.

    THE best reloading manual I've ever found is Pet Loads by Ken Waters! He gives a complete breakdown of everything he loads, including best powders, best accuracy, velocities, and best loads. Not just min. and max. loads. I learned a lot just by reading the book!
    Lots of good info on both the .375, and .38-55.
    It hard to find good info for "obsolete" cartridges.
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    lymans was on my list, might have to pick that up, gonna get a copy of pet loads as well...might be a smart 60 bux!
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    Save yourself some money, Midsouth has the Lyman for 20 bucks

    https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...loading-manual
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    What was the starting rifle again? 336 30-30? Win 1894 30-30? 1895 Win 30-40?

    Regardless, look at the max pressures the original rifle/cartridge was designed for. If 30-30, it usually top out in the 35,000 range. Look at the 375 load data. The 375 Win starts at around 33,000 and tops out at 50,000. I would not try to tap the power of the 375 Win in a rifle originally designed for 30-30 pressures. Be very careful. That is exactly why they warn against shooting a 375 round in a 38-55 even though it will fit.

    Your safest bet is 32 Win Special or 38-55. Both operate at the same pressures or less than the 30-30.

    Think Safety First for you and those that happen to be standing on each side of you or anyone that may want to shoot it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokinjoe View Post
    Save yourself some money, Midsouth has the Lyman for 20 bucks

    https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...loading-manual
    Thank you for the link. But the 60 was for pet loads. although the price is still better than I have found.

    Rifle is a 84 production 336 in 30-30. I plan (if I decide to reload) to start low and work my way up. Not looking to hot rod. Just get enough power to take game (deer, elk, moose, or hog) at sub 150 yards. Should not have a problem as buffalo bore makes more velocity than I need at 38-55 pressures. Looks like 30-30 is rated by saami to 42k psi, and by CIP to 46k psi (piezo electric measurements) and crusher (im assuming CUP not PSI) at 38000 saami and 41000 CIP - that being said I dont plan on testing those max pressures! (as an aside 375 is roughly 55k across the board and 38-55 is 31-35psi across the board)
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    You mentioned 38-55 and 375 Win.....and then refer to them as "that cartridge". They are not the same cartridge....a .270 Win. and a 280 Rem. are not the same even though the bullet is only .007 different. Check the SAAMI specs, the 38-55 and the 375 have many subtle differences...not understanding those differences can be dangerous. Not only that but firing one type ammo in the other will destroy accuracy. What JES turns out is a mix of both calibers and not really either one. I suppose he doesn't know or maybe he doesn't care, I don't know because I will never have one.
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    I'm aware they are different, I've read probably every article I can find and thread on the topic and spoken to several gunsmiths as well as ammo producers on the topic, and have studied the saami specs carefully. The reason I refer to them in the same breath is because I haven't decided which route I'm going yet. Leaning towards the 38-55 or possibly the combination chamber. Don't think I'm gonna go strait 375 but still not sure. Im doing research on both to decide which will be better for my intended purposes. Aside from pressure differences they are similar enough that they can be discussed in one breath. Since there is no standard bore diameter for 38-55 and some are as small at .377 which makes them effectively the same as the 375, which can he that big. A better comparison would have bee 260 and 6.5 creedmore (effectively same diameter but slightly different cases and pressures) rather than 270/280 comparison. Also it's hardly fair to judge something you haven't tried. Everyone I have found who has had JES rebore to 38/55 or 375 has been extremely happy with the accuracy, wouldn't be the case if he didn't know what he was doing. WHat I was looking for was people's help choosing a reloading manual that had specific load data for the two cartridges so I can decide which route I want to go. But thank you for your help.
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    Lyman manuals are my go-to for reloading, especially when using cast lead bullets. I have the Lee manual but find it very limiting.
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