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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    Went back to the range today, this time I got the chrony set up! I took more in depth notes so hopefully this combined with the other test results, some newcomers to reloading will have a place to start at least as far as the 1894's are concerned. All groups were five shots. Velocity is avg of five shots. I counted the main group plus whatever flyers were present separately, fouling shots were noted as flyers. Cleaned between each group.
    So now the load is written, then an equals sign = then the results below that.

    357 loads:
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    LOADS ACCURACY/SPPED
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    A) 180 gr HDY xtp JHP,
    Federal magnum primer
    14.7gr Lil' Gun =
    1-1/16" one flyer 1-11/16"
    away, 1632FPS S/D 24



    B) 180gr HDY XTP HP
    Fed Mag primer
    14gr Lil' Gun =
    Perfect oval group of 1-7/16" L
    15/16" Wide, 1 flyer 7/8" away
    MOST ACC. LOAD 1592 FPS, S/D

    C) Rem. 180gr JHP
    CCI mag primer
    14.4gr Lil Gun =
    1-13/16" plus 1 flyer 1-3/4 awy
    1631 FPS S/D 28



    D) Rem 158 JHP
    CCI mag Primer
    17.7gr Lil gun =
    1-3/4" plus 1 flyr 2-1/8" away
    1870 FPS S/D 27


    E)HDY 180 XTP HP
    FED std primer
    12.4gr 2400 =
    1-11/16" plus 2 flyrs 1-7/16
    away 1504FPS S/D 21


    F) Rem 158gr JSP
    CCI mag primer
    14.5gr 2400 =
    1-3/8" plus 2 flyrs 2-7/16" away
    1706FPS S/D 40


    G) FACTORY LOAD
    Magtech 158 JSP =
    2" plus 1 flyer 1-1/16 Away
    1755FPS S/D 20


    44 MAGNUM LOADS
    -----------------------------------------

    A) Speer 240 JSP
    CCI std. prmer
    20.5gr 2400 =
    1-3/16" + 2flys 3" away
    1730FPS S/D 12

    B) Sierra 240 JHP
    CCI Std prmr
    20gr 2400 =
    2-3/8" + 1 flyr 7/8" away
    1671FPS S/D 7


    C) Rem. 240gr JHP
    CCI std Prmr
    20.3gr 2400 =
    3" + 1flyr 2-1/2" away
    1698 FPS S/D 12


    D) Speer 240 JSP
    CCI MAG prmr
    24.2gr Lil' Gun =
    2-7/16" +1 flyr 1" away
    1760 FPS S/D 18


    E) MOST ACCURATE LOAD
    Speer 240 JSP
    CCI Mag primer
    23.8gr Lil' Gun =
    1766 FPS S/D 32

    F) Rem 240gr JHP
    CCI mag primer
    24gr Lil' Gun =
    1-38" + 1 flyr 1-7/16" away
    1734 FPS S/D 23



    G) FACTORY LOAD
    Winchester Super X
    240gr JSP =
    1-13/16" + 1 flyr 13/16" away
    1741 FPS S/D 20


    This is the first time I have beaten the Winchester Super X for accuracy! I was thinking of just buying it and selling my 44 dies but not now. The Speer 240JSP with lil gun is going to make one thunderin' thumper for the piggies next year. That one did get my attention about the shoulder area during the string too. A steady diet of those and I will have to put a recoil pad on it! Definitely gotta put a longer eye relief scope on for that one.

    Ok fellas..that it for this transmission....Arborman
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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    Hello arboreman.....thanks for the data....I'm wondering at what range these groups are shot (50 or 100 yds.) and if you used a scope?....thanks mic....

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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    Hi Mic,
    This is an addendum to a thread on shootersforum.com. The specs were all listed there in the first posting. Thread is under Marlin 1894 in the leverguns forum. Yes...100yds, both scoped rifles.
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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    Thanks arborman!... Now I have something to shoot for in my new (used) 1894C....can't wait til spring!... ....

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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    GREAT post Arborman!!! Defineate print and keeper!

    I've had good success with 2400 in my 1894 in 44 Rem Mag too. One thing I'd like to note is that Alliant lists the MAX load as 18.7 grains. My Speer Manuals lists the MAX as 22.2g. I've shot the Speer Manual loads in my 1894 and the recoil is noteable in such light handy rifle and not real fun in a pistol.

    http://recipes.alliantpowder.com/

    Since this is a reference thread I'll post some data I have handy.

    http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1066975

    All the above targets shot open sights, 50 yards, front rest, 43 year old eyes. Temp mid 75*

    First three targets (L-R) Montana Gold 240g JHP
    4th Target Speer 240g JSP

    All over 18.7g of 2400
    CCI LP primers
    OAL 1.590"
    1459-1516 fps (most right at 1500 fps)
    note: This same load with magnum primers (See warning in Speer Manual #13, NOT recommended) produces 1550-1577 fps.
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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    Your 47 yr old eyes evidently see alot better than my 36yr old ones! I just can't shoot that well with irons. I think I'm gonna pull the scope off the 357 and practice more with iron sights.
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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    Arborman, How do you like that lil'gun powder? What calibers do you use it for? Meter well? Clean Burning?

    Do you shoot the same loads in handgun too?

    I had so-so results with my 357 1894 with the 180g JHP but your report gives me new hope.

    I was thinkin I need to get a scope! Those are impressive groups at 100 yards you posted. I'm pleased to see they are capable of accuracy on par with rifles calibers at 100 yards.

    I've been lucky enough to shoot what ever needed shooting with the irons but I know the day is coming that a scope will make the most sense. The areas I hunt don't typically afford a shot of more than 75 yards so a Marlin Levergun is about as ideal as it gets.
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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    I use lil gun for the 357 and 44mag...256 Winchester Magnum...I think I have a 22-250 load worked up for it too. (not sure about that however) I like the lil gun..very clean burning and meters perfectly. I just worked up 444 loads and metering that Re7 and 4198 sucks! I had to throw and dribble to get them right. I realluy don't liek having the scope on the 1894's but my 44 has a crooked sight and I don't feel like shipping it off just so they can twist the barrel. I probably will though. I like the feel of an unscoped levergun but feel it neccessary to have a scope on my 336's and 444's. I know they are real 200 yd hunitng guns even though, as you said I'll prolly never get a shot over 75. I live in Fl and a 50yd shot is rare. Honestly the main reason I use a scope is I hunt all the way till dark where/when legal. The scope makes a huge difference on how late I can hunt. Thanks for the compliment. I give all the credit to my obsessive compulsive shooting disorder. You'd be surprised at just how many people think those rifles are only capable of 6"at 100yds groups. I can't wait to try the lever-evolution ammo...even better, when they release the bullets as a component!
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    1894 357 and 44mag load test results with accuracy/velocity

    I'll have to buy a pound of that lil'gun and see if I can shoot those 180gr like you do. Sounds like a good 44 powder too. Thanks again for the EXCELLENT report.

    There is no doubt a scope extends your hunting time. That is very valueable if your days in the field are limited. I also think it allows you to make humane & ethical shots that you would have to pass on if you were using irons. There have been a few times I cussed myself for not having a scope and having to pass on a good shot that was just outside my comfort zone with the irons. I like to stalk but sometimes I'm not able to close the gap enough for a good iron sight shot.
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