Getting settled in to start reloading for my 1894C in .357 Magnum. The bullets are Horady 158gr XTPFN. I have a can of H110 and have the current data for it. After hearing so many people like Lil-gun I thought I would look it up. I see it listed under the pistol data on the Hodgdon site but nothing is listed under the rifle data for .357. The H110 data remains the same for both. Why is that? Why would they leave it out of the rifle data sheet? Seemed odd. Also, for those who use Lil-gun, do you use the SPM primers? Lil-gun seems to generate a lot less pressure than the H110. Suprised me. Anyone used Lil-gun for a hunting load??
Yes I use mag primers for Lil'Gun.
Loads are usually the same/similar for rifle vs pistol rounds. The exceptions happen when you get into things that just *aren't* fun to shoot in handguns like full house 45-70 loads. The only difference becomes speed due to longer burn time. I believe H-110 will generate slightly more fps vs Lil'Gun in rifle length barrels if handgun FPS being equal.
Lil'Gun indeed generates less pressure with fairly impressive performance. Don't hunt with it but like it otherwise, especially with fast lead bullets.
I use Lil' Gun exclusively for my full house 357 loads with bullets weighing 140g or heavier. One note, "ALWAYS" use magnum primers if you want consistent velocities, and accuracy.
quealing rabbit, sneaking predator, 357 rifle, and frozen fingers. It just don't get no better than this!
I went the other way for a while. Before I settled on 2400, I was using H110 in my 357 hunting loads.
Marlins in 44-40. Whacking varmits since 1888
This is why it is so popular. I use it for hunting, works great. Six one shot kills on small southern whitetails.Originally Posted by Thren68
What kind of 100 yd. accuracy are you guys getting with Lil'Gun and 158 gr. bullets? I like the velocity and pressure of the powder and the feedback I see, but haven't seriously tested it for accuracy yet and would like to know what to expect.
If anyone is interested, the best article I've seen yet on reloading the .357 Mag. for rifles is from the July-August 2006 issue of Rifle magazine. The title is ".357 Magnum Revisited" and the author is Brian Pearce. I think back issues are available.
This isn't exactly what you asked for, but I thought I would throw it in anyway.
Notes: Marlin Model 1894 Cowboy Carbine with a 20-inch barrel used to test all loads. Starline cases and CCI 550 Small Pistol Magnum primers used throughout. (Rifle Issue #226 - July, 2006)
145 Winchester Silvertip hollowpoint Hodgdon Lil'Gun 20.0gr, 2,052fps
158 Hornady FP/XTP Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 1,971fps
158 Hornady HP/XTP Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 1,987fps
158 Sierra Jacketed Hollow Cavity Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 1,957fps
158 Nosler hollowpoint Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 1,988fps
158 Speer Gold Dot hollowpoint Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 1,929fps
158 Speer jacketed softpoint Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 1,944fps
158 Speer jacketed hollowpoint Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 1,972fps
156 RCBS 38-150-SWC cast Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 2,018fps
160 Cast Performance flatnose plain base Hodgdon Lil'Gun 19.0gr, 2,021fps
165 Lyman GC 358156 cast Hodgdon Lil'Gun 18.0gr, 1,974fps
173 Lyman 358429 cast Hodgdon Lil'Gun 17.5gr, 1,906fps
180 Cast Performance wide flatnose Hodgdon Lil'Gun 15.0gr, 1,790fps
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I normally can't shoot much over 50 yds, so that's where I sight. I use a Williams peep, and shoot 5 shot groups, then measure the best 4. With 17.6 gr of Lil Gun, I can get 1.3 inch groups.
Not shabby for peep sights. I picked up my rifle when I first bought it and realized in that instant that I had gotten old.... New bifocals should have tipped me off. I have a skinner peep I want to put on my next 1894C. Have a scope on this one. Hope to get to the range next month and spend the whole day. I am liking the looks of the Lil-gun. I had never heard of it before getting on this forum.. This place is a goldmine of info.. I'm gonna trot down and pick up a jug of Lil-gun. I will load up a bunch with different loads and see what works best. I am really digging the pressure levels it produces. Thanks a bunch for the input. I will have both my rifles ready to go for next years javalina season. I cannot wait to paste one of them stinky oversized rats. Payback for all the times they tore down my fence, ate my plants, broke my bird bath, pooped on lawn, rubbed their sent glands on my kitchen door (OMG!) and tipped over my garbage cans. Glad I had the tops tied on. Stepped out and beaned one with a rock one time. Chased me into the house. Gonna mount my first Javalina, hang the spent cartridge around it's neck, and put it in the living room with a sign on the bottom that say's "therapy"....... I'm not really bent warped and twisted... Am I
I use Hodgdon's Lil'Gun for heavy bullet loads in the .357 Magnum. It excels with 180/185 grain cast bullets, and brings the little .357 carbine right up there with the .30-30 in energy levels.
Hope this helps.
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